Original Message 1/30                 Date: 15-Sep-04  @  08:38 PM   -   subwoofer: more problems than good?

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hey all. Im in the middle of another fucking MOVE...seems like I should be paid as an expert for this shit

anyway...Ive got a Tannoy PS110b subwoofer, and...Im considering selling it. I could use the $250 or so I could get for it, and...the last place I lived I had a room setup for my studio, with the sub in there, and, to be honest...the mixes I did there ended up coming out bass light!

Ive read that a subwoofer can actually cause more problems than it alleviates...if the room isnt correct?

what i liked though was the high pass feature...go through it to my KRK V6s and suddenly they sound more open, and are able to go a bit louder due to not having to handle low frequencies...

so...sell it or keep it?

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Message 2/30                 Date: 16-Sep-04  @  08:59 AM   -   RE: subwoofer: more problems than good?

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dump it.... how can you even ask that question ... mixing with a subwoofer indeed.... tsk

oh, and... SPEAKER FORUM!!!

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Message 3/30                 Date: 16-Sep-04  @  09:29 AM   -   RE: subwoofer: more problems than good?

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heh. would you code one then? speaker forum?

you serious about the sub part? "how could you..."?

Ya lost me there. Lots of people use subwoofers...?

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Message 4/30                 Date: 16-Sep-04  @  11:46 AM   -   RE: subwoofer: more problems than good?

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id never mix with a subwoofer. if i went to a studio with one, id disconnect it. then piss in the little air hole

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Message 5/30                 Date: 16-Sep-04  @  12:31 PM   -   RE: subwoofer: more problems than good?

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agreed - god for mice to live in.... that's about it frankly

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I had an idea for a script once. It's basically Jaws except when the guys in the boat are going after Jaws, they look around and there's an even bigger Jaws. The guys have to team up with Jaws to get Bigger Jaws.... I call it... Big Jaws!!!

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Message 6/30                 Date: 16-Sep-04  @  06:43 PM   -   RE: subwoofer: more problems than good?

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you guys want to maybe explain your position? buncha bastids

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Message 7/30                 Date: 16-Sep-04  @  10:47 PM   -   RE: subwoofer: more problems than good?

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sell it and get bagpipes instead

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Message 8/30                 Date: 17-Sep-04  @  12:00 AM   -   RE: subwoofer: more problems than good?

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my mixes always sound way too light on the bass when i use one because you can feel the floor shaking etc---i dont want to "feel" the bass when im trying to correct whats wrong with it, i want to hear it clearly through monitors and not by some cubed cunt on the floor

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Message 9/30                 Date: 17-Sep-04  @  12:07 AM   -   RE: subwoofer: more problems than good?

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heh. Im getting advice from a 16 year old. fckin hilarious.

yeah...mixes seemed bass light.

monitors worked better tho...more efficiently...with the high-pass

honestly curious about the new behringers. bigger....can handle a little bass on their own?

wish I could just afford some damn mackies

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Message 10/30                 Date: 17-Sep-04  @  12:22 AM   -   RE: subwoofer: more problems than good?

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hold on. didn't you used to have some? and then you sold them coz they had too much bass?

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Message 11/30                 Date: 17-Sep-04  @  01:23 AM   -   RE: subwoofer: more problems than good?

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what about those tapcos from mackie?

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Message 12/30                 Date: 17-Sep-04  @  01:48 AM   -   RE: subwoofer: more problems than good?

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yeah, ditch it- i remember you saying you were getting it and thinking wtf?

Hr824's - You had them no? Absolutely frightening things, no extra low end extension required

Aint gonna bark on about em- but we've been doing '1st take' mixes so to speak fer a few tracks now !

blu

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Message 13/30                 Date: 17-Sep-04  @  04:35 AM   -   RE: subwoofer: more problems than good?

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I'll be the one to chime in here in opposition. while a sub can have ill effects on your mixing if not used correctly, it can also be a CRUCIAL tool for mixes with lots of low end happenings. What, you think just because you can't hear them on a normal system they're gonna turn out ok in a club too, a system that DOES reproduce those freqs? If your mixes are coming out bass-light, then turn the sub down, but you DO want to be able to hear sub-harmonics and cancellations and such. Don't play fuck-around with your system just because you have more percieved efficiency with the high-pass thing going. Dial the crossover point down a bit, and turn the sub down a little so that it's operating in its normal range...as an extreme low-frequency monitoring tool, not a sonic protstate-massage tool. If you need the cash, it's your thing, but don't blind yourself because you don't know how to get an accurate focus. It's NOT an easy tool to use. It's fun, but it can, and obviously has in your case, been a bit misused. Easy mistake to make, most everyone does at first. Just dial down and back. Good luck.

Ape

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Message 14/30                 Date: 17-Sep-04  @  05:49 AM   -   RE: subwoofer: more problems than good?

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I actually had it turned down pretty low, homey. I think part of the problem was the room itself

and...it is my understanding that in an untuned room a sub can really be a problem.

can you clarify what you mean about "just because you have more percieved efficiency with the high-pass thing going."

it would seem to me that with the highpass set at 80hz (its fixed) it would allow the mains to work a little easier, and then the sub (I had the crossover set at 100 to cover that middle ground) I would be doing things correctly...

I get where youre comin from, pongoid, and Ill be the first to admit that Im no expert, but at the same time I dont think my implementation of the sub was that inaccurate really.

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Message 15/30                 Date: 17-Sep-04  @  03:14 PM   -   RE: subwoofer: more problems than good?

SignalRunners - Andrew

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if your mixes sound better when you use a subwoofer, use it. if they dont, dont-

they work for some people, i dont like using one at all personally.

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Message 16/30                 Date: 17-Sep-04  @  04:48 PM   -   RE: subwoofer: more problems than good?

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of course you could always shelve off the bottom end at 60-40hz...  

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I had an idea for a script once. It's basically Jaws except when the guys in the boat are going after Jaws, they look around and there's an even bigger Jaws. The guys have to team up with Jaws to get Bigger Jaws.... I call it... Big Jaws!!!

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Message 17/30                 Date: 17-Sep-04  @  07:01 PM   -   RE: subwoofer: more problems than good?

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that would be stupid, really

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Message 18/30                 Date: 17-Sep-04  @  08:53 PM   -   RE: subwoofer: more problems than good?

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your KRKs probably start to roll off around 50 hz. Set the crossover at 55 on the sub.

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Message 19/30                 Date: 18-Sep-04  @  06:54 AM   -   RE: subwoofer: more problems than good?

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right, but if Im cabling through the sub...using the subs highpass output, which is fixed at 80?

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Message 20/30                 Date: 18-Sep-04  @  07:21 AM   -   RE: subwoofer: more problems than good?

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well, I think a good idea would be to just monitor with the krk's when your tooling
around and making the track... Then when your finished, check the mix out with
the sub connected with the krk's. Other than that, I would sell it.... Headphones
can do a good job as does a good bass boost on the krk's. The krk's might not be
meant for it, but it might pull some things out... You might also consider what your
going to use the 250 for. If its not essential, plan accordingly. I'm sure you've done
this already but at times I have made a choice that I come to later knowing, I
shouldn't have sold this certain peice of equipment.

another thing, having sooo much bass makes you concentrate on the low end
more often than needed. You might leave out the really important things. This may
be a far off observation but it may have a point to you.

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Message 21/30                 Date: 18-Sep-04  @  07:11 PM   -   RE: subwoofer: more problems than good?

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yeah...youre kinda on the same page I am on all fronts 

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Message 22/30                 Date: 20-Sep-04  @  08:11 PM   -   RE: subwoofer: more problems than good?

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If it's fixed then shitcan it. It's not meant to work with anything but what it's spec'd for. Get a different sub, one that's crossover, level and phase adjustable.


Ape

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Message 23/30                 Date: 21-Sep-04  @  04:12 AM   -   RE: subwoofer: more problems than good?

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well, I can adjust the frequency that the sub transmits, but if I go _through_ it, the output to the nearfields is highpassed at 80hz

BUT...I believe i can set it at all-pass as well...

anyway...probably needin money more and more, so thats gonna be the main factor

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Message 24/30                 Date: 21-Sep-04  @  12:50 PM   -   RE: subwoofer: more problems than good?

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Pongoid, what exactly is spaz.com? It is quite possibley the most bizarre website I have ever seen. In a good way though.

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Message 25/30                 Date: 29-Sep-04  @  12:16 AM   -   RE: subwoofer: more problems than good?

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So you're telling me that you mix to a surround configuration when probably 92%+ people that listen to records listen on shitty systems that have speakers capable of handling a dynamic range of about 1dB Great idea matey

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Message 26/30                 Date: 29-Sep-04  @  12:28 AM   -   RE: subwoofer: more problems than good?

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err. no i don't think so.

using a subwoofer isn't the same as mixing in surround.

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Message 27/30                 Date: 29-Sep-04  @  10:01 AM   -   RE: subwoofer: more problems than good?

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yeah Lloyd...get your facts straight before talkin shit. good idea? Yeah, probably

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Message 28/30                 Date: 29-Sep-04  @  10:46 AM   -   RE: subwoofer: more problems than good?

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and whats surround and dynamic range got to do with anything?

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Message 29/30                 Date: 29-Sep-04  @  11:27 AM   -   RE: subwoofer: more problems than good?

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Ok I think I misinterrpreted it. I thought thought u were mixing in 5.1. Apologies.

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Message 30/30                 Date: 01-Oct-04  @  04:16 AM   -   RE: subwoofer: more problems than good?

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And what's all this about a +-1db accurate system? Think you've got some threads mixed up, Lloyd. Hold up on the stimulants, eh?

Ape

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