Original Message 1/45                 Date: 11-Apr-03  @  08:41 PM     Edit: 11-Apr-03  |  08:52 PM   -   Rave Act Passed in US

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Bush To Sign America’s Anti-Nightlife R.A.V.E. Act

America’s nightlife industry faces an uncertain future
this weekend, after Congress voted to approve the
puritanical RAVE act, meaning crack house laws will
now be applied to all concerts, clubs and music
festivals in the US.

“Property owners can be punished for any drug offence
that their customers commit - even if they work hard to
stop such offences,” warned the Drug Policy Alliance
just hours before the Bill was passed.

“This is likely to deter nightclub and stadium owners
from holding events.”

“Every musical style will be affected, including rock and
roll, Hip Hop, country and electronic music,” they
added.

The bill was passed after Senator Joe Biden sneaked it
into an unrelated Child Abduction Prevention Act,
which allowed the RAVE act to become law without any
hearings, debates or even specific votes being taken by
Congress. Its incredibly draconian terms mean that if
just one person is caught smoking a joint at a public
gathering such as a club, party or concert, the
organisers and property owners can be jailed for 20
years.

target="NEW">drug policy


emdef.org

(helping to save American club culture)

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Message 2/45                 Date: 11-Apr-03  @  08:49 PM     Edit: 11-Apr-03  |  08:52 PM   -   RE: Rave Act Passed in US

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scray stuff.

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Message 3/45                 Date: 11-Apr-03  @  09:50 PM   -   RE: Rave Act Passed in US

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I have written my letters, but I highly doubt the courts will uphold the legality of this legislation. We shall see, I suppose.

-Craig

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Message 4/45                 Date: 11-Apr-03  @  10:03 PM   -   RE: Rave Act Passed in US

horizens

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yeah, i'd hope that the supreme court would squash this
but how long will it take them to get it?

i cn't believe they snuck this into the "amber alert" law.
completely unrelated.

bullshit.

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Message 5/45                 Date: 11-Apr-03  @  10:37 PM   -   RE: Rave Act Passed in US

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it will take a big promoter to get it into the courts at all unless the ACLU takes it seriously... But not to worry, the Supreme Court could send the entire Amber Alert bill back to congress any way. William Reihnquist wrote an open letter to the assembly suggesting that the bill was WAY to restricting of federal judge's discretionary powers.

Of course, the entire party/club/event scene could be burried for a while. But let's face it, underground warehouse style events have always been more fun! hehehe...

Saw Pongoid at a place in San Francisco that handled the issue quite nicely... called it a private party, asked for doantions, and refused to allow the police on the property.

working around the bullshit is a good promoters greatest skill. This shit won't hurt most of us... and hell, maybe it'll put an end to BIG BUDGET glossy fliers, and glowstick sporting rich suburban kids who have to leave at 1:00 AM!

e

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Message 6/45                 Date: 11-Apr-03  @  11:25 PM   -   RE: Rave Act Passed in US

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"and refused to allow the police on the property."

you can do that? no shit?

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Message 7/45                 Date: 11-Apr-03  @  11:26 PM     Edit: 11-Apr-03  |  11:29 PM   -   RE: Rave Act Passed in US

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Didn't the Nazi's also use the Eagle as their national Emblem?

Not having a go here, but Bush's America is becoming very, very weird.

"which allowed the RAVE act to become law without any hearings, debates or even specific votes being taken by Congress"

I mean S-H-I-T!!! That is bloody scary! Man, we really, really, really need to do something about these damned God-fearing nut cases who are fighting some bizarre imagined religious crusade in our supposed names! I almost feel sick.

Steve.

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Message 8/45                 Date: 12-Apr-03  @  12:08 AM   -   RE: Rave Act Passed in US

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Influx, Yeah, if it's a "private" party (meaning no door fee, no retail sales...) and the entrance is fenced (meaning the door to the club is behind the main entrance to the property than you simply lock the main entrance and tell them it's a private gathering... they need a warrant to enter the property (if the gate is locked)... we've done similar things at outdoor events on gated land. And it worked quite nicely for those 5Flowershop kids at Pongoid's show!

hey, Steve... Are you an American?

Yeah, not sure of Poli-Sci in other countries, but in the US we have (and have always had) this brilliant thing calle dthe trailer bill. It's when special interests want to get a law passed, they tack it on to popular bills (that would make politicians look bad if they voted no on) and then the whole gets passed as law! It's a sham, and a bitch! And downright undemocratic.

And it's what they've done here!

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Message 9/45                 Date: 12-Apr-03  @  07:28 AM   -   RE: Rave Act Passed in US

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FUCK em...... seriously. I am so sick and tired of this bullshit. NO ONE LISTENS. Not just this point but everything else too. I have never wanted, so badly, to leave this country. Trite, rich, political BULLSHIT!! ARGH!!!!! and no one will listen......... The majority of the people in this country and every other country just want to do their thing to make their lives a little bit happier. Instead, i just work to pay the bills while a 3rd of my money is being taken away each week to finance all this shit I don't believe in. The American way. BULLSHIT. FUCK! I have wasted so much energy caring..........ridiculous.


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Message 10/45                 Date: 12-Apr-03  @  09:08 AM   -   RE: Rave Act Passed in US

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Thats the law u need to address.. tacking unrelated measures onto bills... thats just weird..

meanwhile here in the uk, they have virtually stopped arresting people for possession of pot.. and the police are very grateful.. it just wastes their time.. and they can concentrate on important stuff like robbery, burglary, murder etc etc

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Message 11/45                 Date: 12-Apr-03  @  09:34 AM   -   RE: Rave Act Passed in US

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Q. What do you call a raver standing in the corner of a bank?

A. safe!

er... (sound of bloke fetching his coat)...

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Message 12/45                 Date: 12-Apr-03  @  09:36 AM   -   RE: Rave Act Passed in US

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Yo I was the one who locked the gate at that party! Hee
hee...stoned out of my mind tho, barely got it to click in
time, whew.

Another thing at that particular party was that
5lowershop's lease on that space is on the level...I
believe they had to show it to the cops. But the cops did
not/could not physically come in, so they left after 20
minutes.

hey but wait a sec- the UK's got that whole 'repetitive
beats' nonsense. So it ain't like the grass is always
greener...

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Message 13/45                 Date: 12-Apr-03  @  10:16 AM   -   RE: Rave Act Passed in US

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yeah, the UK has some REALLY stupid laws... and some really stupid new ones about music licensing in pubs and restaurants where people singing 'happy birthday' without a license are technically breaking the law.. duh

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Message 14/45                 Date: 12-Apr-03  @  11:40 AM     Edit: 12-Apr-03  |  11:46 AM   -   RE: Rave Act Passed in US

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The key difference here though Zazza, and the issue that needs to be addressed the most, is that while both the UK and the US have some completely screwed laws, the UK has a far more secular government. So much in the US government is done in the name of God. No need to point out that this is a big mistake! If you do a search for this Joe Biden on Google, I'm sure you'll see what I mean. I think the last time the UK government performed any action because of religious beliefs, was when they killed King... erm.. can't remember his name, in the mid-17th century. It was realised how rediculous and dangerous such an act is and so stopped it.

The point being that we need to abolish the idea of the 'God-given-right' in any modern society. God should not be involved in any governing of any country whatsoever. God just gives those in power the right to do whatever they want without any logical reason. Just look what heppened when the US was about to join the Race-Relations Treaty in 1999, which would have helped put a stop to the Palestinian/Isreali crisis.

Regards.

Steve.

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Message 15/45                 Date: 12-Apr-03  @  01:30 PM   -   RE: Rave Act Passed in US

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Yah, its an issue, but being a secular giovernemnt doesnt stop anyone passing heinous laws, look at Russia, Iraq, etc etc?

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Message 16/45                 Date: 12-Apr-03  @  02:56 PM   -   RE: Rave Act Passed in US

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I agree the church should be totally separate from the state in fact if we could just get rid of both of them things would be a lot better.

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Message 17/45                 Date: 12-Apr-03  @  05:15 PM   -   RE: Rave Act Passed in US

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"look at Russia, Iraq,"

Well, Iraq was/is a dictatorship, but I know what you mean. There are other factors at play here. Though, on the subject of Dictatorships, it is even starting to seem like Bush's Government is attempting to become a world dictatorship.

Oohhh. It's all to freaky for me atm. I'm gonna go hide somewhere  

Regards.

Steve.

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Message 18/45                 Date: 12-Apr-03  @  07:10 PM   -   RE: Rave Act Passed in US

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Oh boy politrix.Bushka.The rave law rides the
coat tails of Amber Alert bill?That's fuxd up.Ok
everybody cross your fingers and hope we
spread more war around the middle
east..Then maybe all the gung-ho right wing
types will get chewed up in a middle eastern
meat grinder.Yep Bush has firm grip on
America.Isn't Reaganomix III a barrel of fun.I
saw Ollie North on Fux news "reporting" illicit
Jordanian arms transfers to Iraq.Talk about
irony.So let's see we want to go after
Syria,Iran,Jordain?,Yemen,Saudis,Indonesia,
Phillipines,Columbia,Paki-Afghan border
regions,Panski Gorge area of
Georgia,Sudan,N Korea,And Get involved in
the Palastenian/Israeli conflict.If George Bush
is re-elected i'm sure we won't go until 2008
w/o massive civil unrest in the US.But that's ok
cause our armed forces are trained for civil
unrest.You don't think the modern architects
of our contemporary government would have it
any other way.Do you?

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Message 19/45                 Date: 12-Apr-03  @  07:56 PM     Edit: 12-Apr-03  |  07:58 PM   -   RE: Rave Act Passed in US

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God damn! Notice most of the Countries that the US is targetting, save of course North Korea and Iraq etc, are Countries that have helped the Palestinians!?!? Jesus! Its Leviticus all over again! What on earth can be done about these god-damned Jewish/Isreali f*@!ers who are intent on acting out the lectures of Moses? I mean the man may never have even existed! And I am pretty sure Yahweh (am I going to die for writing the name :P ) never existed. The Jewish religion is a damned nasty one and something needs to be done to stop this now that the Isrealites seemingly have complete control of the US Government and its Armed forces.

This is actually getting pretty damned scary.

Steve.

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Message 20/45                 Date: 12-Apr-03  @  11:57 PM   -   RE: Rave Act Passed in US

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'Ollie North on Fux news'? Is that THE Olly North.. of Iran Contra hostage bargaining arms smuggling fame?

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Message 21/45                 Date: 13-Apr-03  @  12:29 AM   -   RE: Rave Act Passed in US

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the one and only. some seem to think he's some sort of hero now cuz he rolled over

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Message 22/45                 Date: 13-Apr-03  @  06:43 AM   -   RE: Rave Act Passed in US

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go steve,

I was listenig to a comedian asking "who runs the world?", The Americans ask anyone to do something and they say "no" well its big action. They ask the Israelis and they say "no" and well its "OK" or in ^^^ case it's "let us waste our boys for you invading a country you don't like"

I wouldn't mind but for all of those holocaust museums

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Message 23/45                 Date: 13-Apr-03  @  08:55 AM   -   RE: Rave Act Passed in US

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Heil hitler........

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Message 24/45                 Date: 13-Apr-03  @  12:57 PM   -   RE: Rave Act Passed in US

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"Washingtom intelligence sources claim that weapons of mass destruction that Saddam was alleged to have possessed were shipped to Syria after inspectors were sent by the United Nations to find them."

Oh great! I bet these weapons are now going to do a full circuit of the Arab/Muslim countries in the Middle-East. With the US and the UK in persuit leaving a trail of destroyed governments and religions.

Steve.

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Message 25/45                 Date: 13-Apr-03  @  01:18 PM   -   RE: Rave Act Passed in US

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Message 26/45                 Date: 13-Apr-03  @  11:56 PM     Edit: 13-Apr-03  |  11:57 PM   -   RE: Rave Act Passed in US

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Follow the yellow brock road.. follow the yellow brick road.. follow the, follow the etc etc..


What is especially amusing is that a refusal to confess and give back the imaginary wmd will be due cause for invasion..

The recently surrendered Iraqi Scientific advisor said that Iraq had no more wmd's..

Luckily the CIA said "He will probably change his tune once he realises he is 'free'"

Hahahahaha.. yah.. I bet he will...

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Message 27/45                 Date: 14-Apr-03  @  12:15 AM   -   RE: Rave Act Passed in US

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"The Jewish religion is a damned nasty one and something needs to be done to stop this now that the Isrealites seemingly have complete control of the US Government and its Armed forces"

You are one sad f**k m8. I can't believe you spout that shite on these forums.


sox

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Message 28/45                 Date: 14-Apr-03  @  12:44 AM   -   RE: Rave Act Passed in US

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All the nasty,resentful,right wing shites come crawling out of the sewers in times like these.

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Message 29/45                 Date: 14-Apr-03  @  01:05 AM     Edit: 14-Apr-03  |  12:40 PM   -   RE: Rave Act Passed in US

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"You are one sad f**k m8. I can't believe you spout that shite on these forums."

Haha! Ahem! Sorry. Don't mean to offend you, but go and read! Have you ever read the Bible? Do you not follow the news? Maybe if you did, you would realise that this is not an attack on anyone who is Jewish simply because they are Jewish, rather an attack on the massive Right-wing Jewish institutions, both Zionist (mainly Israel) and Evangelical (mainly US), who are currently responsible for a hell of a lot of attrocities, such as the severely sick treatment of the Palestinians, who's homeland they are invading, the equally severe treatment of may Arabs who are trying to help the Palestinians, and the use of their power within the US government to influence military actions throughout the middle-east.

Without doing a complete trawl of the net, here are a few links to get you up to date:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,528757,00.html

http://jerusalem.indymedia.org/news/2002/05/27834.php

http://www.globalexchange.org/campaigns/palestine/topTenReasons.html

http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,542836,00.html

http://www.socialistworker.org/Featured/Israel.shtml

http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/03/03/Forward030303.html

In fact, just type the following (including quotes) into Google:

"Israel" "Palestine" "US Government"

And please start reading the broadsheets.

Regards.

Steve.

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Message 30/45                 Date: 14-Apr-03  @  01:43 AM   -   RE: Rave Act Passed in US

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Though, I must admit that I do get very wound up about these gross injustices in the world. Especially when they are fuelled by something as mindlessly and inexcusably irrational as religion.

Oh.. sod it. I'm off ta bed.

Steve.

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Message 31/45                 Date: 14-Apr-03  @  02:23 AM   -   RE: Rave Act Passed in US

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All religions are nasty in the sense that they substitute dogma for rational thought.

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Message 32/45                 Date: 14-Apr-03  @  07:57 AM   -   RE: Rave Act Passed in US

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ya got that right Z



Trills

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Message 33/45                 Date: 14-Apr-03  @  12:12 PM     Edit: 14-Apr-03  |  12:36 PM   -   RE: Rave Act Passed in US

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I wouldn't say all religions Z. It's primarily the Judaist religions. Hinduism, Buddhism, Shamanistic and Pantheistic (American Indian etc) religions are, despite the extremists, generally peaceful religions and are not dogmatic. At the moment, however, it is the Zionist Jewish religion that is most harmful, and really needs to be controlled. Over the years, it has developed into the most racist and genocidal religion on the planet. And, unfortunately, is receiving alot of backing from other fundamentalist and orthodox Jewish sects. There are, thankfully, many Jews, even within the orthodox religions, that are in complete agreement with this.

Regards.

Steve.

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Message 34/45                 Date: 14-Apr-03  @  02:37 PM   -   RE: Rave Act Passed in US

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it's real easy to misinterpret what you wrote, steve. but religion really has little to do with it IMO. it's just a regular old war over land and resources. those zionist and evangelical types are in bed with whoever will join their project of self-aggrandizement. jews vote and have a strategically valuable 'homeland', hence US interest. religions are ideologies and ideology is a way of distracting people from the real question of who holds power and how it is wielded. (ok yeah some rituals and plenty of religious individuals are nice but that's not the point here.)

buddhists and hindus are no better e.g. imperial japan, ongoing india/pakistan conflict.

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Message 35/45                 Date: 14-Apr-03  @  03:17 PM   -   RE: Rave Act Passed in US

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"jews vote and have a strategically valuable 'homeland', hence US interest"

It is not just international strategy that has caused the US to be so biased here. For example, shortly before 9/11 the US was about to step in and help put an end to the Palestine/Israel conflict, before nearly 10,000 Evangelical Jewish US citizens wrote in and told them to stop, which they did. IMO, this may even have been the action that resulted in 9/11.

I am also aware that nearly every religion on the planet has been responsible for many wars and attrocities, but I am talking about what is happening at this point in time. Imperial Japans religious policies were terrible, especially when it invaded China, but it hardly exists any more. The Jewish religion has been a very pleasant and peaceful religion in the past, but it is currently behaving in a very disgusting manner.

My head hurts! Why do I even start?

I'm gonna stop this and go have a beer  

Regards.

Steve.

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Message 36/45                 Date: 14-Apr-03  @  03:25 PM   -   RE: Rave Act Passed in US

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I dont believe in any religion. I think its a comfort blanket for people who are too scared of death and need to believe in an afterlife. Its for people who cant take responsibility for their own life and need religion to lead them. Its for people who dont have a life and feel they need to be a part of something special. Weak willed people, stupid people, bible bashing sandal wearing beardy people who ring your doorbell when your on the shitter. So you bunny hop down stairs with your trousers round your ankles only to open the door to be pestered by some religous bastard. By the time you get upstairs your arse has dried out and you need to use wet toilet paper to wipe it off.

People can believe in anything they want, but if it gets me off the shitter, or anyone else for that matter, then its not a good thing.

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Message 37/45                 Date: 14-Apr-03  @  03:58 PM   -   RE: Rave Act Passed in US

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Hey, I have a beard...

And nothing... nothing... should get you off the toilet when you're shitting. That mistake was yours, my friend.

psy

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Message 38/45                 Date: 14-Apr-03  @  07:52 PM   -   RE: Rave Act Passed in US

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Politicians in the US will do only what is in the interest of the people who fund their campaigns... As long as that motivation exists, US legislation and foreign policy will be made to benefit corporations, big money investors, and special interest groups.

-Craig

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Message 39/45                 Date: 14-Apr-03  @  07:56 PM   -   RE: Rave Act Passed in US

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Jock, Psy......

Thank you so much for giving me much needed laughter.

*sigh*

Trills

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Message 40/45                 Date: 16-Apr-03  @  08:45 AM   -   RE: Rave Act Passed in US

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"All religions are nasty in the sense that they substitute dogma for rational thought." Yeah Zazza but that kind of the point, innit?


I remember my semester in a US College.... if the cops busted a house party... everyone jumped out the window and the owner was fined multiplied with the est. number of patrons. Isn't all this just the upgraded version of that law?

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Message 41/45                 Date: 16-Apr-03  @  03:56 PM   -   RE: Rave Act Passed in US

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No, it isn't.. Because the promoters aren't providing alcohol or drugs to their patrons. What this law says is that if somebody goes to the fucking opera, and they happen to somehow bust somebody with a joint, the people who own the opera house, and the people who promoted the opera can all be punished.

Of course this won't get applied to opera houses...

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Message 42/45                 Date: 16-Apr-03  @  05:07 PM     Edit: 16-Apr-03  |  07:11 PM   -   RE: Rave Act Passed in US

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"Of course this won't get applied to opera houses..."

What not? I imagine, with the amount of drugs it takes me before I'll even consider watching/listening to that stuff, Opera houses would be filled with a veritable shipment of drugs :P

Regards.

Steve.

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Message 43/45                 Date: 16-Apr-03  @  07:32 PM   -   RE: Rave Act Passed in US

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Hey.........

Don't be knockin' the opera man........ I take extreme offense to that! :P

Trills

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Message 44/45                 Date: 16-Apr-03  @  08:00 PM   -   RE: Rave Act Passed in US

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then they go backsatge

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Message 45/45                 Date: 22-Apr-03  @  01:07 PM   -   RE: Rave Act Passed in US

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I can just picture pie eating tenor Luciano Pavrotti giving Domingo blow backs in the wings of the Royal Opera House. He may have a great voice, but if that Pavrotti came over to my house, opened up my fridge and starting eating all my pies I'd say OI PAVROTTI.. NO.

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