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Original Message 1/17                 Date: 28-Apr-02  @  10:03 AM   -   room like mixes?

panama

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are there any tips out there to make a mix
sound more roomy or sound like everything is
being played in a room?

I'm a bit curious about this because all my
mixes sound empty and I want to create as
much ambience as I can.



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Message 2/17                 Date: 28-Apr-02  @  10:40 AM   -   RE: room like mixes?

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er.... room reverb recorded off of the backing and re-eq's and the brought UP in the mix until it sits, plus some subtle delay panning fx to get some VERY subtle ghost delays?.... do you really want 'room sound' ?..



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Message 3/17                 Date: 28-Apr-02  @  10:53 PM   -   RE: room like mixes?

panama

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I don't want a dry room sound - more like a ambient room type atmosphere.

Should I shoot for long reverbs (1.3 ms / 140 bpm) or should I go under 660 ms for verbs? What would be the best application?



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Message 4/17                 Date: 28-Apr-02  @  10:56 PM   -   RE: room like mixes?

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also, how should I eq the verbs?

Should it be based on what I hear or should I stick to certain frequency range in the mix so it doesn't get cloudy/muddy.



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Message 5/17                 Date: 29-Apr-02  @  01:32 AM   -   RE: room like mixes?

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second question first. maybe if you roll off the lows going into the verb they don't get bouncing around in there makin' mud in the first place. hmmm? other than that, eq them how you like. yep, use them ear things on the sides of yer head. and the gray shit in between 'em.

as far as the dry/ambient thing, that's not so much a question of reverb time (that clues you in to room size) as it is diffusion and damping, is it?



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Message 6/17                 Date: 29-Apr-02  @  05:18 AM   -   RE: room like mixes?

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use a reverb set to the right size and decay for your likings. get the tail lenght right. then send the individual tracks to it to taste. Use eq to cut the lows and mids, and somtimes boost the 12k area so just the shimmery highs are heard. Then bring the reverb level up under the mix with enough headroom until you hear the spacial quality you want. this has worked well for me.



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Message 7/17                 Date: 29-Apr-02  @  09:03 AM   -   RE: room like mixes?

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ambience settings (which generally make it sound like it's in a space) have low reverb times (<.50s), more early reflections to actual reverb (80:20) and a high density (80%) . density is how close the reflections are together, so you don't want to hear them seperately in this case.

well, that's how i stick something in a room without haveing obvious reverb tails. if you want a cold space leave the top end on the verb and just set the bottom so it's just there. if you want it warm, chop off the top end and increase the bottom (not right down there, just fiddle)



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Message 8/17                 Date: 29-Apr-02  @  10:38 AM   -   RE: room like mixes?

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okay cool... so it's stuff I already know.

I wonder about delays though... I always get a
better feel when I use em. But, I usually run
into problems when the delays speed up the
mix.

So, subtle ghosts huh? Must be a huge eq cut
with a soft high end.

thanks.



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Message 9/17                 Date: 29-Apr-02  @  11:59 AM   -   RE: room like mixes?

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i'd have thought you'd be better off with some slapback delays (subtle tho)



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Message 10/17                 Date: 02-May-02  @  07:52 PM   -   RE: room like mixes?

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Yea delays are cool. I've been thinking lately that everything in a dancetrack should be moving in some manner to the rhythm. Using filter sweeps on some things, delays on others.



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Message 11/17                 Date: 02-May-02  @  08:08 PM   -   RE: room like mixes?

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had to take care of something. so why are your delays speeding up the mix? Not synced properly or using the wrong sync in some instances? What do you mean?



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Message 12/17                 Date: 02-May-02  @  09:10 PM   -   RE: room like mixes?

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just to say it, when i was in caerphilly i popped into the castle (big 'un) and was clapping about in the banquet hall. don't think there was any tail longer than 2.5 seconds, stone walls and all.

just info.



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Message 13/17                 Date: 02-May-02  @  11:01 PM   -   RE: room like mixes?

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The grand canyon has a nice slapback delay if you stand in the right spot and wait a few minutes for it to come back at you. There's an idea...a track starts and 7 minutes later the delay from the 1st note arrives to end the piece.



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Message 14/17                 Date: 03-May-02  @  05:51 PM   -   RE: room like mixes?

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lol!



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Message 15/17                 Date: 03-May-02  @  06:15 PM   -   RE: room like mixes?

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sound so nice we play it twice.



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Message 16/17                 Date: 03-May-02  @  07:14 PM   -   RE: room like mixes?

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Ambience effect is probably the way to go; I find reverbs to be nigh useless for adding space to most of the music I'm interested in (though it still is great for effecting sounds). Good ambience algorithms will let you place the mic and sound source in the room, and give the feeling of space without adding much in the way of audible artifacts. It is basically a room reverb with lots of early reflections and negligible tail. One thing I like to do is use the ambience effect on string pads to move them physically into the background (i.e. put them on the other side of the room from the mic). Gives it a kind of vintage feel (especially when you use real string samples), and it keeps the sound from intruding on the other sounds in the mix.

Incidentally, the best multitap delay in your arsenal is probably your reverb processor. Some relatively cheap ones will let you program a dozen or more individual delay taps. It is more limited in other ways (shorter max delay time typically, no feedback), but very usable. I personally tend to prefer multitap delays with lots of taps and no feedback to regular delays with feedback (gives me more control and I can simulate feedback), so the limitations don't bother me. One of the reasons I traded my TC D-Two for an SDE-330 is the greater programmability and configurability of the taps on the Roland box.



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Message 17/17                 Date: 03-May-02  @  11:45 PM   -   RE: room like mixes?

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sitar: whenever I put too much feedback or too much volume on a delay... It sort of speeds up the mix... especially when a songs tempo is faster than 130 bpm.



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