Original Message 1/29                 Date: 13-May-03  @  09:13 PM   -   this whole illuminati thing

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someone just sent me an unfortunate article on the illuminati

the unfortunate part is that its from a "born again christian" who throws the concept of "satanic influence" around rather irresponsibly...

but...damn...what if it were true? the whole NWO thing..and not just in a political sense, but a genuinely mighty group that worships evil?

damn. heavy shit!

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Message 2/29                 Date: 13-May-03  @  09:23 PM   -   RE: this whole illuminati thing

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can you post the link??

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Message 3/29                 Date: 13-May-03  @  09:28 PM   -   RE: this whole illuminati thing

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Careful Influx,

Those who publicly questin the existence of the Secret Illuminati either disapeer or are a part of the conspiracy.

Jobs Daughters, The freemasons, the all seeing eye... they are hardly secret. Do the worship evil? Not too sure about that, but they are immoral by christian standards. Homosexual, and worshippers of Baal....

look at the Knight's Templar, and the Dark Assissin of the Ottoman Empire for some hints of their European origins... but it's older, much older!

Hehehe...

I gave up on conspiracies a long time ago. Do you really give "THEM" that much credit?!

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Message 4/29                 Date: 13-May-03  @  10:31 PM     Edit: 13-May-03  |  10:33 PM   -   RE: this whole illuminati thing

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The_Illuminati_in_America.doc

I dont give ANYTHING credit!

in a world where the vast majority of information fed to us is pure lies, how can one trust ANYTHING?

trillium, Ive attached the text file I was sent. Its a bit large apparently. I can email it to you too if you want. there are links within, but I dont know where this came from directly

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Message 5/29                 Date: 13-May-03  @  10:33 PM   -   RE: this whole illuminati thing

hey but

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hey but if you can have groups of.... (like opposite of them) then why can"t they get out a bit
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but secret agenda aside gone to chat room

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Message 6/29                 Date: 13-May-03  @  10:35 PM   -   RE: this whole illuminati thing

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link

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Message 7/29                 Date: 13-May-03  @  10:54 PM   -   RE: this whole illuminati thing

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They feed us lies so we won't recognize the truth.

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Message 8/29                 Date: 13-May-03  @  11:00 PM   -   RE: this whole illuminati thing

Influx

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right but apparently they feed us TRUTH so we wont SEE it

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Message 9/29                 Date: 13-May-03  @  11:17 PM   -   RE: this whole illuminati thing

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like I said YEARS ago: read Behold a Pale Horse.

Will Cooper.

Doesn't matter what name you use, there are people who control things, know things and make things happen. The big picture is more hideous, and bigger than most could ever want to imagine, like out of a sci-fi novel. Denial does not diminish its power. Just the opposite. Try these words Babylon, , Sumer, Enki, Masons, Rosicrucians, Reptilians, Greys, The All-seeing Eye, Rothschilds, Royalty, War, and see what you can come up with. There are loads of interpretations, and none would be completely correct, I'm sure. Find your own answers.

Ape

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Message 10/29                 Date: 13-May-03  @  11:25 PM   -   RE: this whole illuminati thing

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indeed, the idea is to make so much info available that the truth gets obscured and impossible to get to.

however, those stumbling headlong into it, without a doubtful arch of the eyebrow could benefit from reading Foucaults Pendulum by Umberto Eco... great story, and it is an allegory on the foibles of those too quick to believe!

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Message 11/29                 Date: 13-May-03  @  11:28 PM   -   RE: this whole illuminati thing

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"right but apparently they feed us TRUTH so we wont SEE it " big lie,
fair play

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Message 12/29                 Date: 13-May-03  @  11:37 PM   -   RE: this whole illuminati thing

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"could benefit from reading Foucaults Pendulum by Umberto Eco" uhhuh... unless you try reading it in german and decide to give up on reading long books altogether and develop a distaste for umberto eco.

still, its a horribly long book which tells you what you've known all along before you even opened it i say.

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Message 13/29                 Date: 13-May-03  @  11:47 PM   -   RE: this whole illuminati thing

Influx

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ahahahhhahaha!

behold a pale horse, eh?

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Message 14/29                 Date: 14-May-03  @  12:01 AM   -   RE: this whole illuminati thing

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you wascally wabbit

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Message 15/29                 Date: 14-May-03  @  12:51 AM   -   RE: this whole illuminati thing

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"...tells you what you've known all along before you even opened it..."

my point exactly

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Message 16/29                 Date: 14-May-03  @  02:09 AM   -   RE: this whole illuminati thing

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and I've BEEN to the Musee D'Arts et Metiers. It was awesome. I've seen the Pendule. That book is definately dope, but says a lot about manifest destiny. Long book, convoluted, but in the end if you have your wits about you, it all adds up and it's amazing. I digress. Truthm but not all of it, and little bits of bullshit to obscure the paths to the keystones that allow things to really bind, correlate, and verify anything that could be damaging/exposing to the invisible.


Ape

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Message 17/29                 Date: 14-May-03  @  05:16 AM   -   RE: this whole illuminati thing

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http://www.nira.go.jp/ice/nwdtt/idx1/intro.html



http://www.columbia.edu/cu/lweb/indiv/lehman/guides/ttanks.html



http://www.nira.go.jp/publ/review/2000winter/07stone.pdf




http://usinfo.state.gov/journals/itps/1102/ijpe/pj73mcgann.htm



http://hallevents.com/current_events/920.shtml

http://usinfo.state.gov/journals/itps/1102/ijpe/pj73toc.htm

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Message 18/29                 Date: 14-May-03  @  05:18 AM     Edit: 14-May-03  |  05:31 AM   -   RE: this whole illuminati thing

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"Behold a Pale Horse"

I met and spoke with the author about ten years ago. It was sort of an assignment in which a friend and I were to make a determination regarding the validity of his book and his ideas based upon a lecture we were paid to attend. I can tell you that he is an idiot and, as should be obvious to anyone with a clue, an utter fraud.

Prior to speaking with him my friend and I sat in the audience for his lecture. Lunacy. He's a nutter, full fecking stop. His audience of followers are even zanier than he which doesn't seem possible but through some miracle of disorder, chaos, and defective genetics its true. I never really had a grasp of the idea of the "lunatic fringe" until this event. They make Trekkies look like the top 1% of MENSA. Hmmm, maybe MENSA isn't the greatest example.  

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Message 19/29                 Date: 14-May-03  @  05:55 AM   -   RE: this whole illuminati thing

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mick

call me thick but I fail to see the connection...think tanks!

lovin that counter-opinion on the pale horse book

Ill probably track it down and read it anyway.

Pongoid...I appreciate your input but...most of what you said sorta just plays into the rather comical theatrical mysteriousness of the whole thing...

do you have any first (well...somehwat) hand experience with these sorts of things?

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Message 20/29                 Date: 14-May-03  @  06:26 AM   -   RE: this whole illuminati thing

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Careful there, Influx... Pongoid shows many of the signs of freemasonry...

As does brother Cooper... displaying the game and explaining the rules, Only to be dismissed by the bright and followed by the fringe. Do not for a second think that those protestors who stand in parks in groups of 10 or less are genuine! They are paid (or devoted) to make the every man think their causes and concerns are idiocy!

Our friend Pongoid has a bit of the "genuine" about him. And he is well traveled. And will likely effect EXTREME frustration and idignation at being referred to as "enlightened", to be sure!

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Message 21/29                 Date: 14-May-03  @  06:40 AM   -   RE: this whole illuminati thing

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Also,

The Knights of the Rosy Cross and their sad story can be found in Hamlet, written by Francis Bacon and delivered under the name William Shakespeare.

Their vengence is promised generations in the future as the undo the work of the hospitalers and develop a brotherhood of wealthy free thinkers.

They could never have guessed at the luck they'd find in the discovery of the NEW WORLD! Look at the back of the dollar bill for their sigil! Look at our leaders, and their fraternity of WILL... they've so muddied the issue that we no longer believe they are capable of deceit even when it's right in our face (Buildings collapse, elections are stolen, important voices are silenced) and all we do is shrug, whine about "it's unfair"...

Jacques De Molay is indeed laughing last!

weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

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Message 22/29                 Date: 14-May-03  @  10:50 AM   -   RE: this whole illuminati thing

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i will go knit a foil beret now

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Message 23/29                 Date: 14-May-03  @  05:01 PM   -   RE: this whole illuminati thing

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yeah thanks errata :|

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Message 24/29                 Date: 14-May-03  @  06:10 PM   -   RE: this whole illuminati thing

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I'm not a Mason. Others close to me are. At some point, if I asked, I could probably become one. Again, just like some pointed out about this doc from svali, it is filled with all kinds of slants, as is Pale horse, as is the Bible, The Torah, The Lord of the Rings, The Necronomicon, or any other piece of writing you want to examine. No work is completely factual and logical that we have because all are exposed to humanity and the its chaotic touch. HOWEVER, there are bits and pieces of the puzzle of the greater picture to be gleaned from all of it, as from not looking at any of them but rather just what you see in front of you and you can interprete as touching. Some of what you may glean is "this is not part of it", and some you may glean "This could DEFINATELY be part of it, let's see what else supports it...".

Like I say, most of it is right out in the open, but it's not being able to see the forest through the trees.


Ape

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Message 25/29                 Date: 14-May-03  @  07:42 PM   -   RE: this whole illuminati thing

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from what Ive read you cant just "join" so...

dunno..some of you talk about it like it really is this secret society and you...rather admire it.

if what Im reading is true then it is a sick fucking thing that needs to be stopped, and in all honesty pongoid you of all people should be alarmed and offended and feel the need to act

NWO?

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Message 26/29                 Date: 14-May-03  @  07:44 PM   -   RE: this whole illuminati thing

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errata - you'll find verification on a native american tribe that speaks welsh. the united states was planned long ago.. let's call it a process of 'granular observation.'

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Message 27/29                 Date: 14-May-03  @  09:08 PM   -   RE: this whole illuminati thing

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apron wearing,trouser leg lifting,goat riding,ring kissing plonkers the lot of them.

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Message 28/29                 Date: 14-May-03  @  09:23 PM   -   RE: this whole illuminati thing

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A few years ago I played a gig in a mason's hall. Bunch of c.unts - lots of cash, no dress sense. Pictures of the Queen and Thatcher everyhwere. How nice to probably be able to join. T.wat.

I had that Prince Philip in the back of the cab once.

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Message 29/29                 Date: 15-May-03  @  01:08 AM   -   RE: this whole illuminati thing

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Honestly, I'm having a laugh! Pongoid's right... it's all there. And as I recall from a few years ago, he is a bit up in arms about it.

Is it real? maybe, maybe not. As Pongoid says, There are those in power, and I'd say they didn't get there by accident... But I do so wonder about how this conspiracy's can span generations. Most folks in power tend to see their power as the end... and rarely work too hard to preserve it for the future... especialy a future that was centuries away!

But that said, the founding fathers of the US were freemasons, every one of them. And the kings of Europe in the 17th century frowned on these labor union occultists. it was only 200 years prior that the pope stamped out the Templars as heretics, and demon worshipers.

shrug

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