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Original Message 1/103                 Date: 02-Apr-03  @  05:43 PM   -   Ironic

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Message 2/103                 Date: 02-Apr-03  @  05:54 PM   -   RE: Ironic

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Tee-hee-hee! Thats good  

Steve.



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Message 3/103                 Date: 02-Apr-03  @  05:54 PM     Edit: 02-Apr-03  |  05:55 PM   -   RE: Ironic

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oops.



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Message 4/103                 Date: 02-Apr-03  @  07:16 PM   -   RE: Ironic

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haha lol! 'orrible!



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Message 5/103                 Date: 02-Apr-03  @  09:10 PM   -   RE: Ironic

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FAKE !

weird flares, shadows not right and the guy with a sleeveless shirt has no socks on.



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Message 6/103                 Date: 02-Apr-03  @  10:52 PM   -   RE: Ironic

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you guys are aware that the center set is regular stairs, right?

funny that everyone takes the escalator

lemme guess...fat lazy americans, right?

whatever



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Message 7/103                 Date: 02-Apr-03  @  10:58 PM   -   RE: Ironic

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It was you that assumed they are Americans Influx!  

Steve.



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Message 8/103                 Date: 02-Apr-03  @  11:59 PM   -   RE: Ironic

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Still, its pretty funny!



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Message 9/103                 Date: 03-Apr-03  @  09:05 AM   -   RE: Ironic

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thats cuz 24hr fitness as far as I know is only an american company

no?

it IS pretty funny, but the attempt at a ribbing...

Im just tired of the america-bashing



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Message 10/103                 Date: 03-Apr-03  @  09:23 AM   -   RE: Ironic

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nothing personal but when do you think it will stop?

As far as i know there was a whole generation of Germans who wouldn't talk about their war and their part in it.

Not having a go at you Influx but I thought, just this morning that ANOTHER convenient excuse for this action is the diversion value (who talks of Kyoto, national debt, civil liberties). So for a nation famously spoiled for choice, your comment that you are bored with this diversion, brings derision



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Message 11/103                 Date: 03-Apr-03  @  05:04 PM   -   RE: Ironic

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Still, ALL AMERICANS are categorically & definitively stupid.

The difference between an AMERICAN and a US citizen has a lot to do with flag-waving, etc.

Americans should all be hanged, by their own hand.



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Message 12/103                 Date: 03-Apr-03  @  06:02 PM   -   RE: Ironic

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Nobody...

I'm not advocating anything here, but it is beginning to look like they will be!

The talk has begun in ernest: Syria, Iran...

"I'm not finished yet!"

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Message 13/103                 Date: 03-Apr-03  @  06:04 PM     Edit: 03-Apr-03  |  06:10 PM   -   RE: Ironic

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panic in detroit



White riot - I wanna riot
White riot - a riot of my own
White riot - I wanna riot
White riot - a riot of my own
Black people gotta lot a problems
But they don't mind throwing a brick
White people go to school
Where they teach you how to be thick
An' everybody's doing
Just what they're told to
An' nobody wants
To go to jail!
All the power's in the hands
Of people rich enough to buy it
While we walk the street
Too chicken to even try it
Everybody's doing
Just what they're told to
Nobody wants
To go to jail!
Are you taking over
or are you taking orders?
Are you going backwards
Or are you going forwards?



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Message 14/103                 Date: 03-Apr-03  @  06:05 PM     Edit: 03-Apr-03  |  06:06 PM   -   RE: Ironic

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Fucking scary, dire times, these.

I'm not advocating anything either, except euthanasia. And graffiti. And documentary photography, and music making.

But damn, these fucking idiots cultivated stateside, ready to go and fight for what? Maybe because someone told them it would be needed, to ensure their "freedom" which is as much a myth as that Amerikkka is a free country.. Ha.. I laugh. But it's nervous laughter.



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Message 15/103                 Date: 03-Apr-03  @  06:06 PM     Edit: 03-Apr-03  |  06:07 PM   -   RE: Ironic

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Nutoniom = frostbyte??



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Message 16/103                 Date: 03-Apr-03  @  06:13 PM   -   RE: Ironic

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nutoniom, no capital dammit !

yes, strange and ironic, innit ?

"While Middle East burns and suffers
The lobby cheers and cracks in laughter"



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Message 17/103                 Date: 03-Apr-03  @  06:50 PM   -   RE: Ironic

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Fine, no caps.

nutoniom



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Message 18/103                 Date: 03-Apr-03  @  06:55 PM   -   RE: Ironic

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never thought of it that way, nobody

American VS US citizen

ok...I can get with that. Id have to agree there's a definite distinction

but...do you euros see the difference? dunno.

and, of course, while the AMERICAN war machine stomps around on its own personal playground, the US CITIZENS who want no part of it will certainly suffer the consequences.

fackin 'ell! as you would say



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Message 19/103                 Date: 03-Apr-03  @  07:45 PM   -   RE: Ironic

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yeah whatever we all invent proprietary terms and distinctions but I don't think that it's a big deal to say "the Americans" when you mean "the portion of the American population which supports/accepts/is blind to the ____ policy".

a lot of people think I'm too cynical but damn, nobody, you take the cake. and piss on it ;)



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Message 20/103                 Date: 03-Apr-03  @  10:23 PM   -   RE: Ironic

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you know... the mexicans etc. used to get mad when people said 'americans' and really meant 'us residents'... the whole damn continent is america (north america, south america, all americans). i bet they don't mind as much now though.



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Message 21/103                 Date: 04-Apr-03  @  10:44 AM   -   RE: Ironic

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I've never seen external escallators before.



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Message 22/103                 Date: 04-Apr-03  @  12:19 PM   -   RE: Ironic

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heh. only in america, right?



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Message 23/103                 Date: 04-Apr-03  @  01:02 PM   -   RE: Ironic

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they're escallators people, escallators!!!



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Message 24/103                 Date: 04-Apr-03  @  02:38 PM     Edit: 04-Apr-03  |  04:31 PM   -   RE: Ironic

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"but...do you euros see the difference?"

Well... its a good point, but needs to be defined a little further. I think the problem arises when anybody sees themselves as a 'citizen' (not just legally) of any country.

'Patriotism is the willingness to kill and be killed for trivial reasons' - Bertrand Russel

'Patriotism is the virtue of the vicious' - Oscar Wilde

And my favourite:

'Patriotism is a pernicious, psychopathic form of idiocy' - George Bernard Shaw

All said by very, very intelligent people. I don't have a problem with those who live in the USA. But in general, those who believe in their country and government without cynicism tend to be the sort of people I'd offer to put to death. This is however a generalisation, there are always exceptions, though probably not that many in this case.

I feel I speak for many Euros when I say it is just that 'those citizens' of the USA do tend to be very loud and obnoxious, so it is hard to miss them; shouting and waving their flags. While many of the other people living in the US don't make too much noise, so we tend not to associate the US with people other than those 'citizens'.

Regards.

Steve.



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Message 25/103                 Date: 04-Apr-03  @  02:50 PM   -   RE: Ironic

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Good point, Mr. Roughley.

I'm just anti-most-humans, and living in this fucking country doesn't help. That I have to see every other car with a fucking flag sticker on it, or one of those ONE NATION. INDIVISBLE. stickers on it, etc. just does not make it easier to um.. anything. I just woke up. Kill 'em all.

Canada. Good place for me I'm sure.



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Message 26/103                 Date: 04-Apr-03  @  10:19 PM   -   RE: Ironic

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well I aint one of those loud flag wavin motherfvckers ok? In fact, I do my best to peel the stickers off and steal flags whenver possible.

this place..its...its a very good thing gone (going) bad, and it's sad to see, and sad to have it make you feel so out of place while at the same time acknowledging the privilege and opportunity it truly does provide.



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Message 27/103                 Date: 05-Apr-03  @  12:48 AM   -   RE: Ironic

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good for some.. living hell for others...



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Message 28/103                 Date: 05-Apr-03  @  12:53 AM     Edit: 05-Apr-03  |  12:57 AM   -   RE: Ironic

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Yeah it is a shame. The US was built on so many good ideas and has been a fantastic country. Though, with the benefit of hindsight, it is now clear that the problems that are arising were inevitable. The US was settled and developed by Europeans who were sick of all of the wars, poverty and governmental problems in their homeland and so the settlers chose to completely ignore such things in a bid to put the problems behind them, as the belief was that the US was going to be different. The only problem is that being a place filled with people, these problems when ignored, would show up again. Hence the wars, poor governing and social problems. The US seems to be going through the same problems of Europe in the 17/1800's. I bet Australia is going to follow suit!

Regards.

Steve.



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Message 29/103                 Date: 05-Apr-03  @  03:46 AM   -   RE: Ironic

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living hell, eh?

bullshit.



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Message 30/103                 Date: 05-Apr-03  @  09:40 AM   -   RE: Ironic

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influx: try being black in the south...

What's your history? Brought here as a slave.. Forced to work until you died, No right to stay with your family, if you were a young woman you could expect to be regularly raped by the white master, his sons or his staff. If you stepped out of line you would be whipped or beaten, maybe have your ankles broken, your face disfigured or simply killed.

After emancipation the whites in the south adopted new tactics. In 1865 and 1866, about 5,000 Southern blacks were murdered. No whites were convicted of doing anything wrong.

The Ku Klux Klan also attempted to keep blacks from voting through an increased use of threats, beatings, and killings. More than 3,000 blacks were lynched during the late 1800's, and the Klan and members of similar groups lynched hundreds more throughout the South during the early 1900's.

There was a decline in lynching during the First World War but more than seventy blacks were murdered in this way in the year after the war ended. Ten black soldiers, several still in their army uniforms, were amongst those lynched. Between 1919 and 1922, a further 239 blacks were lynched by white mobs and many more were killed by individual acts of violence and unrecorded lynchings. In none of these cases was a white person punished for these crimes.

Dr. Arthur Raper was commissioned in 1930 to produce a report on lynching. He discovered that "3,724 people were lynched in the United States from 1889 through to 1930. Over four-fifths of these were Negroes, less than one-sixth of whom were accused of rape. Practically all of the lynchers were native whites.

The fact that a number of the victims were tortured, mutilated, dragged, or burned suggests the presence of sadistic tendencies among the lynchers. Of the tens of thousands of lynchers and onlookers, only 49 were indicted and only 4 have been sentenced."

Henry Hayes was executed on 6th June, 1997. It was the first time a white man had been executed for a crime against an African American since 1913!!!!!

Now, you tell me, in the last 100 years, how many

a) white people were executed for killing black people?

b) black people were killed by white people?


If you are an american and you don't have a clue, you should be ashamed.. go research.

Here's something to get you started on your journey of discovery:

'between 1930 and 1996, more than half of all those executed have been African-Americans. When the crime (or accusation) is rape, the death penalty has almost always been exclusively reserved for blacks. Of the 453 men executed for rape since 1930, 405 have been black. Nearly all of them were executed in the South. They were arrested and convicted on the flimsiest evidence, usually no more than the word of a white woman. At the same time, not one white man received the death penalty for raping a black woman. There is no official record in any Southern state of a black man ever being executed for raping a black woman. The victims of all but 44 of the blacks executed in the South from 1930 through 1984 were white. Not much has changed over the years. A black is still eleven times more likely to get the death penalty then a white when the victim is white. At present nearly half of those currently sitting on the nation's death rows are black. And that number has remained steady for three decades. The only real change in the top heavy racial make-up of death row prisoners is the jump in the number of Latinos awaiting execution. In Texas and California, the runaway leaders in the number of prisoners on death row, a significant number of the condemned are Latinos. A recent report from the Leadership Council on Civil Rights revealed that Latinos have outstripped blacks as the fastest growing imprisoned group in America. The same glaring racial bias that insures many black men wind up on death row also ensnares Latinos.'

Sounds like a living hell to me...

(And lets not mention the experience of the Native Americans)



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Message 31/103                 Date: 05-Apr-03  @  09:42 AM   -   RE: Ironic

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Hey! if you wanna bash America fine, but be fair about it. I am an American citizen and I didn't vote for Bush. Most Americans didn't. Realistically, I have no more control over what the Bush administration does than you do over Tony Blair or any other world leader. Hell, thousands of people over here protested the war and didn't even get on Tv. Who's fault is that, the protesters? America was after all founded by EUROPEANS! not the Russians or Chinese. Would you prefer that the Soviet Union won the cold war instead? My Grandmother was born in Oslo, and my grandfather was born in Prague in 1878! If America sucks so bad why do people keep coming here. I wish they would stop! I hate overpopulation. Half the people living in my hometown don't speak English! Thousands of Immigrants are coming from Asia and India every year. There are so many immigrants from other countries moving here white anglo saxons won't be in control much longer anyway. Who will you blame then? If you don't like America thats fine but don't make blanket statements about the population. We have every nationality on Earth living here. We have Capitilist pigs, Facists, Communists, W Supremisists, Atheists, Socialists, Anarchists, and people who pratice voodoo. Fact is America is what it is because we have the greatest wealth and the largest military. I won't make excuses for our dismal foreing policy but I suspect that if any other country in the world took over they'd probably pull the same crap we do. Money and power spell corruption. Pretty much the way its always been.



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Message 32/103                 Date: 05-Apr-03  @  09:50 AM   -   RE: Ironic

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"The US was settled and developed by Europeans who were sick of all of the wars, poverty and governmental problems in their homeland and so the settlers chose to completely ignore such things in a bid to put the problems behind them, as the belief was that the US was going to be different"

I'd say more like - it was a place where people went to escape the plight forced upon them by industrialists back home only to find they were fucked over all over again by the same people once they also had gone over there to exploit the resources and the people, just the same as they did in europe  

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Message 33/103                 Date: 05-Apr-03  @  09:53 AM   -   RE: Ironic

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zazza, SOMEHOW I KNEW that was what you would bring up.

slavery, while without question a horrible thing;
a)was not limited to, developed by, NOR MONOPOLIZED by the US

nope

Native Americans?

SICK situation, one deserving of far more "reparations" than have ever been offered.

but you can fvck off with your condescending little 23 year old bullshit, my man. You and all you little typical liberals who do nothing but regurgitate the "facts" as you read them

you arrogant little prick! I fvcking LIVE HERE, ok? I see whats wrong with the place for the most part, and I also see clearly what is RIGHT, which you refuse to acknowledge even exists

so you can go and have a blast wanking off in your US-Bashing trendy little euro attitude, while I do my best to think of ways to make this a better place instead of just fvcking crying about it all the time like you brits and other snobby fvcking euros do

slavery is OVER. What happened to the indigent people here is for the most part over. The repercussions are horrifying but dont you fvcking talk to me like youre some god damned enlightened motherfvcker and Im just some piece of shit that doesnt know a single god damned thing ok?

arrogant fck

how old are you, really? Id be willing to bet that youre not old enough to carry the sort of burden you knowledge you claim to carry.

Ive had enough with your smug self-important regurgitative leftist "activism" that is nothing more than words, accusations, and COMPLAINING.

do you DO ANYTHING? Are you out in the streets trying to convince people there is a better way? I TRY, ok? It aint easy, but I try.

people like you make me sick. you read too much and then point your fingers at everyone else. you dont know SHIT about anything you claim to know about, my man, and that is clearly illustrated by your typically naive choice to single out the United States as the sole perpetrator of these injustices you cite.

make me wanna spit on you and your kind



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Message 34/103                 Date: 05-Apr-03  @  10:29 AM   -   RE: Ironic

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lol! - zazza's old enuff to be your pop influx  

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Message 35/103                 Date: 05-Apr-03  @  10:35 AM   -   RE: Ironic

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All I said was 'living hell for others'

And.. I did NOT say 'slavery was MONOPOLIZED by the US ' duh..

'little 23 year old bullshit' I am 23 ? I wish! heh

My wife is black, I have two black daughters, one of whose father lives in Georgia, so we get some interesting feedback...

I have visited the US and it has both good and bad points...

All I said was that the US was a good experience for some people, and a living hell for others.. yyour reply was 'bullshit'?

Well, Im just disagreeing with you.. live with it..

At no point do I beleieve I have 'bashed the US'

Quite willing to tell it like it is about George W and his band of thugs tho..

How many tens of thousands of young and old men, brothers, fathers, lovers, poets, sons have they just crisped? Men who mostly didn't even want to be in the army anyways.. (conscripts)

And some fucking US barbie stubs her toe and it's 'meet the family' on fox.. bah

Where are the human interest stories about the Iraqui children crying for their lost father?

Not on FOX Bullshit News that's for sure..



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Message 36/103                 Date: 05-Apr-03  @  11:04 AM   -   RE: Ironic

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Eurotrash: I agree with you completely..



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Message 37/103                 Date: 05-Apr-03  @  07:05 PM   -   RE: Ironic

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we would agree on many points, but you come off, like all the cliche euro US bashers, as if the whole damn place is nothing but filth, oppression, and tragedy

youre right. you said "living hell for others"

funny thing is even the worst of the worst HERE is better than anywhere else.

many wrinkles need to be ironed out, no doubt.

Im not having it about the black thing, man cuz racism goes ALL ways..not just black on white, white on black, etc.

hate to say it but that slavery argument...tired. how long before it gets put to rest and stops being used as a tool? the holocaust?

IMO the people who are STILL suffering are the natives you mentioned. an entire culture hobbled by their mistreatment

oh hell I dunno youre still smug



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Message 38/103                 Date: 05-Apr-03  @  11:30 PM   -   RE: Ironic

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hm...i tried to login so i could show off some limited
HTML skills ;) but i kept receiving an error message.

whoah there, influx. i just can't pass this one up without
comment. i've never seen you fly off the handle like that
- and in defense of THIS country no less? Zazza was
succinct and DEAD ON.

it is certainly and will always be, for some, an ongoing
hell. you're a white male from southern california, for
jeebus' sake. i'm not having a dig at you or anyone in
your statistical shoes, please understand that. but
you're spouting some alarmingly blind BULLSHIT!!!
your point of view is suffering some severely faulty
depth perception. ;)

the privilege you speak of stops at the doorsteps of the
PRIVILEGED. i can't believe you are so adamantly
refusing to admit that. i couldn't disagree with you more
about the *opportunity* this country provides its people.
and sorry to say it looks like it's only going to get much,
much worse.

oh...and the worst of here being better than anywhere
else? hardly. i cannot believe you said that. how the
hell would you know??

and lastly, why so quick to get defensive about that
picture? it says a lot, really. my initial thoughts about it
were "damn, those are some sorry MFrs", not "oh jeez,
more stupid americans". YOU'RE the one that turned it
into some kind of anti-american insult! personally i had
a good laugh because it shows quite well the EMPTY
GESTURE people are putting into every last action...the
escalators to get to the "Sculpt My Vacant Image"
Fitness Center says it all!! they prob stopped at McD's
on the way home. but since you tied together the fact
that this is a US image...there's no getting around these
people do make up the MAJORITY of the US
population. quite disgusting really. but as an american
i found no reason to take it personally, why did you?

i dunno. email me? and until then, go sit in the corner!!
for shame.



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Message 39/103                 Date: 06-Apr-03  @  07:23 PM   -   RE: Ironic

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I wasnt going to respond to this..

actually..Im not. I couldnt care less what you people say, really. Im not stupid, Im not blind, I see quite clearly the horrible faults of this nation, but the fact remains that there truly is an avenue for almost everyone. the doors get smaller and less frequent the further down the scale you go, no doubt, but even people from the very bottom have the opportunity to come up.

yes, people are mistreated drastically, every single day, and like I said Im definitely out there trying to open the eyes of those I come in contact with, but..

well, thanks so much for insulting me. I really do appreciate it. Shows how far we've come in our interaction.

but hey..I dont know shit, right? Im just another stupid ing american, and Im JUST a stupid ing white boy born and raised in SoCal so I can have NO idea how the real world works. NONE WHATSOEVER, right?

so yeah..I'll go sit in the fvcking corner for defending this HORRIBLE country that allowed YOU and others like you to make what $50 an hour for drawing neat pictures. what a horrible place, that doesnt allow ANYONE the chance to do anything except be a pawn.

thank you SO much for your wonderful insight into my shallow beginnings and my utter lack of ANY sort of understanding.

in fact, yeah...I think I WILL go sit in the corner and stop giving a shit about the inequities here in the US. Perhaps I would be better off to quit reading this bullshit.

you are right, tho. It was me who added that tinge of anti-americanism but that is because zazza, roughley and the like are CONSTANTLY talking shit about AMERICANS as if we're all just worthless pieces of shit based solely on our place of birth?

FVCK THAT SHIT dammit, Im sick of fvcking hearing about it.

now why dont you all just quit BITCHING about how bad it is here cuz youre really not trying to do anything about it, and LEAVE? go see how other governments treat people! go see how HIGH taxes are everywhere else. Gas? shit. all the little plastic and wires we so love to play with? yeah..try affording that A3000 in canada, or the UK...

damn...I need to open my eyes?

ok. well..theyre open and I see quite clearly that this place is a good thing gone bad but despite all that still provides a long list of options for a huge number of people. we dont own a monopoly on inequity, dammit, and the gap between the rich and the poor is fvcking disgusting but Im just sick of hearing fvcking couch-ridden communists who wouldnt lift a finger to enact any sort of change!

this looks so out of place now as a reaction to a stupid photograph.

respond all you want. call me stupid, blind, naive, whatever, but Im fvcking through reading this shit here. this place doesnt provide me anything anymore but a bullshit guilt that Im tired of having heaped on me



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Message 40/103                 Date: 06-Apr-03  @  07:39 PM   -   RE: Ironic

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oh and believe you me, when the time comes and there is a large enough group to ACT, I will be one of the first to move, be it picking up a gun and eliminating the "oppressors" or whatever it takes. Im so fed up with the "majority" here but the fact remains that most of you assholes INSIST that we are "ALL" like that!

and far too many of you assholes HERE bitch and moan while you live some incredibly privileged lives, provided by the foundation that is your home. Hate it? LEAVE!

Love it but are disgusted by where its going? DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT



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Message 41/103                 Date: 06-Apr-03  @  09:41 PM   -   RE: Ironic

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they say that this is a free country
they say that this is a free country
they say that this is a free country
that's why i have free love for sale

free love for sale
free love for sale
free love for sale
free love for sale

it's something you can't beg steal or borrow
and it can't be postponed til tomorrow
and it may add up to your sorrow
since i've got free love for sale

there's no such thing as free love
there's no such thing as free love
there's no such thing as free love
you have to pay thru the nose

freedom? influx i would have been a farmer. slavery has just gotten a lot tidier is all. saying we're free is like saying "i'm glad i just got my jaw broken instead of my head taken clean off." big fucking hurray.



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Message 42/103                 Date: 06-Apr-03  @  10:10 PM   -   RE: Ironic

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bloody hell guys... is 'the war' getting to people?



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Message 43/103                 Date: 06-Apr-03  @  10:32 PM   -   RE: Ironic

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K - yes.



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Message 44/103                 Date: 06-Apr-03  @  11:52 PM   -   RE: Ironic

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influx. get off the defense for a minute, because there's
no need for it. i was only suggesting cancelling your
subscription to Hail America, it's not getting you
anywhere.

in this country, you are not born free, you are born
SOLD, only for the purposes of fueling the Red White
and Blue Transaction Machine, to help the ongoing
lining of its pockets with the blood of its citizens' smiling,
trusting, gaping souls. oh the subtleties of All-American
slavery. you're really only as good as your ability to
spend. what *opportunities* can possibly outweigh this
wrongdoing??

i guess i figured since i actually know you we could talk
about it, that you wouldn't resort to 'ah, you're just
another eurotrash freedom-hater' etc. etc. i'm amazed i
even bothered. i've gone a deep shade of apathetic,
believe me, and ceased seeing anything beneficial
from interaction with all but a few outsiders. no one
knows how to listen. and no one sees the very basic
necessity in working on ONESELF before attempting to
"open the eyes" of everyone else [ah, but look who's
talking, right? haha] things could be a lot different. but
what we have is society cultivating spiritual laziness.
as one mr levitch noted, society is the greatest self-
hatred man has ever conceived. something i believe to
be THE biggest problem. do something about it, you
say? the two possible solutions i can see are 1)for a
nationwide simultaneous raising of consciousness
[something Mr. TV and the lesser infiltrators are doing
well to keep from ever happening], HIGHLY
improbable...or, as you suggest, 2)leave. preparations
well in progress to get the hell out of here, no doubt
about it. though i fear merely to some other place this
country in due time will feel the need to "liberate" as
well. which brings me to the simplest and most justified
solution of all time, 3)KILL ALL HUMANS. heard that
somewhere.

and that A3000 that would be so hard to get outside the
US? tough titty, say the kitty. there are worse things to
go without, surely you see that, and i'm very much done
going without those. the A3K is long gone anyway, as it
became more important to be where i am than having
all that kit.

just realize i wasn't insulting YOU, ya egomaniac, i was
voicing my own displeasure for this INSULT of a nation
and the blindness that ensues due to its tactics.



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Message 45/103                 Date: 07-Apr-03  @  12:42 AM   -   RE: Ironic

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you march down my street, you vote my leaders in, ram right down my throat, ok theres nothing you can do so who gives a shit about what you think,

and strong emotions show the edges where they made your box



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Message 46/103                 Date: 07-Apr-03  @  01:59 AM   -   RE: Ironic

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i like lolipops.





























and kittens






















but a 16 year old would know nothing of this sort of discussion



























more spaces

















there



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Message 47/103                 Date: 07-Apr-03  @  03:21 PM   -   RE: Ironic

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"What happened to the indigent people here is for the most part over"

haha! no, what happened to the indigenous people is mostly over; the indigent will keep on getting screwed for a long time.

zazza, influx: I'm with you fellars.



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Message 48/103                 Date: 07-Apr-03  @  06:41 PM   -   RE: Ironic

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jesus christ I didnt say that the US wasnt a ed up place!

aww hell. I told myself I wouldnt even read this, let alone respond.

apathy? sounds attractive, doesnt it. but for someone who cares it's incredibly difficult to stop



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Message 49/103                 Date: 07-Apr-03  @  07:50 PM   -   RE: Ironic

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mostly over? that's just not right, knowa.



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Message 50/103                 Date: 07-Apr-03  @  08:03 PM   -   RE: Ironic

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yah that's true. there aren't any left around me so I sorta think of them as gone. I guess you could say I have my reservations about the conditions under which they live now.



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Message 51/103                 Date: 07-Apr-03  @  08:28 PM   -   RE: Ironic

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awww come on. lets just twist everything I say then, k?

I am well aware of the shit that "Native Americans" were put through and are still going through.

and Blacks, mexicans, whatever. Its all true.

fck it. Im just gonna go sit in my nice comfy SoCal IDONTKNOWSHIT little world then while all you other fckers who have it all figured out do something about it, k?



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Message 52/103                 Date: 07-Apr-03  @  08:43 PM   -   RE: Ironic

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"that is because zazza, roughley and the like are CONSTANTLY talking shit about AMERICANS as if we're all just worthless pieces of shit based solely on our place of birth?"

Well, in my defence, I can't recall ever doing this. If you could point out what gave you this idea, then I will clear it up. I certainly didn't mean to piss you off Influx. My appologies.

Steve.



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Message 53/103                 Date: 07-Apr-03  @  08:52 PM   -   RE: Ironic

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argh. This is like a mess I cant wipe up!

no..you didnt piss me off, but are you really gonna tell me youre not on the "america sucks" bandwagon?

If I misinterpreted then it is I who should apologize, but I dont think thats the case

hell, most of you guys, even the shit-talkers, I have a great deal of respect for! there are quite a few educated, eloquent folks here.

but...its just the blind enthusiasm for america bashing that gets me riled up. I want solutions too

but jesus...the fact is that this particular thread wasnt a direct jab at the US anyway, and I am the one that turned into that, so...Im gonna pull out now



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Message 54/103                 Date: 07-Apr-03  @  11:14 PM     Edit: 07-Apr-03  |  11:15 PM   -   RE: Ironic

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Naw, it's cool. Personally, I'm prepared to attack countless facets of any country, mine included. And I do all the time. But I haven't actually seen such a thread on DT that I can contribute to (I'm certainly not going to start a thread that attacks anyone, with the exception of Elton John or Ant and Dec), and now that I think of it, I do see your point. It does allways seem to be the US that gets attacked.

As for the America Sucks Bandwagon, yeah I'm on it, but it is by no means the only Country Sucks Bandwagon that I am riding. As far as my experience of other Countries goes, the only country that I am happy with is probably Antarctica, but I don't know much about its government or native religions, so I'm not 100% sure. At any rate it's certainly not a personal attack mate, but I can see now, just how annoying it is.

Regards.

Steve.



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Message 55/103                 Date: 08-Apr-03  @  12:43 AM   -   RE: Ironic

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nothing was personal until zazza dropped the TIRED-ASS argument about slavery (in which most of his citings refer to events/occurences that happened for 19 fecking THIRTY!) insinuating that I dont know shit about what is wrong with the states and that I should go "enlighten" myself.

that, in and of itself, was insulting.

fact remains that the US govt is a dirty one. Not all the people here agree with the govts actions, nor are we all fat, lazy, stupid, and narrow-minded (but Im not gonna for an INSTANT think that open-mindedness means blind acceptance of every single motherfcker that wants to come along and claim some random title)

here I am. stuck in the middle. both sides are full of shit. been clearly demonstrated.



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Message 56/103                 Date: 08-Apr-03  @  11:07 AM   -   RE: Ironic

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'TIRED-ASS argument about slavery'

It's not an argument it's a living reality..

Try this.. 'Black up' and drive cross-country across Georgia (try driving maybe a nice new BMW?).. stopping in the handy roadside cafes (be sure you don't miss out Mcintosh county) and have a friendly chat with the nice people (especially women) you meet there...

If you come back alive, I'll apologise 

It's only white people that think racism is dead..

What abotu that case recently where a town in the south hired a private detective to investigate drug dealing ... they ended arresting and imprisoning 10% of the black population based solely on his 'verbal' evidence and a bunch of little bags of coke that he claimed he found on these people.

Turned out later that he had bought some coke, cut it into to little bags and planted it on everyone..

Result? Black people still in prison serving sentences of up to 14 years. The guy that comitted perjory and got them locked up has a nice new job with another police force.



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Message 57/103                 Date: 08-Apr-03  @  12:26 PM   -   RE: Ironic

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Well anyway, I´m in spain today arent I, yes I am, yes I am, off to Fuencarrel to check out the latest in underground kulture.



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Message 58/103                 Date: 08-Apr-03  @  02:19 PM   -   RE: Ironic

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and the racists here *always* take the escalators.



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Message 59/103                 Date: 08-Apr-03  @  03:03 PM   -   RE: Ironic

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hehehehe 



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Message 60/103                 Date: 08-Apr-03  @  06:23 PM   -   RE: Ironic

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zazza. racism and slavery are two different things.

I didnt say racism was dead, or gone, or not a reality.

nor would I even attempt to say that past injustices are not affecting people currently.

but again, I will say that the US does not hold a monopoly on racism. The simple fact that there IS racism in the US does not make it a ed up place (there is racism EVERYWHERE and it aint ALL whitey!) and things ARE much better than they've ever been. Perception and actions need to change drastically in many regards. no doubt. on ALL sides.

"slavery" is over, so griping about what happened _then_ without contextualizing it is just lame.

do you still call germany out because of what happened in the 40s?

hell..dont you live in england? England is still the biggest imperialist on the planet, with more "territories" than anyone else, no?



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Message 61/103                 Date: 08-Apr-03  @  08:07 PM   -   RE: Ironic

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Yah, feel free to have a go at the UK.. believe me I can rip it up better than u can 

Sadly, however, there are more people in slavery now than at any other time in human history..

http://www.antislavery.org/index.htm



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Message 62/103                 Date: 08-Apr-03  @  08:10 PM   -   RE: Ironic

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not here in the states. youre straying.

but then...elsewhere..yes...horribly underpaid labor, etc.

well...again...one of my desires for the US is to pull back. get out of other peoples business, quit feeding off taking advantage, and focus on our own problems and needs here.



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Message 63/103                 Date: 08-Apr-03  @  08:17 PM   -   RE: Ironic

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i just don't see it.

isn't slavery when someone else compulses you to do something in their interests against your will?

so if i'm sociopolitically forced to earn money in order to harbor my living off the land, how is that not slavery?

oh don't tell me.. "that's not slavery, that's fair play..." said the man with all the money.



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Message 64/103                 Date: 08-Apr-03  @  08:37 PM   -   RE: Ironic

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Straying? Well, a lot of the slavery is under the aegis of US corporations getting cheap labour..

hmmm....



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Message 65/103                 Date: 08-Apr-03  @  08:47 PM     Edit: 08-Apr-03  |  09:31 PM   -   RE: Ironic

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stop hatred



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Message 66/103                 Date: 08-Apr-03  @  08:52 PM   -   RE: Ironic

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[image file]


yes, lets 



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Message 67/103                 Date: 08-Apr-03  @  08:54 PM   -   RE: Ironic

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stop hatred



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Message 68/103                 Date: 08-Apr-03  @  08:58 PM   -   RE: Ironic

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stop hatred



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Message 69/103                 Date: 08-Apr-03  @  09:02 PM   -   RE: Ironic

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light up a fat one and chill, allright?



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Message 70/103                 Date: 08-Apr-03  @  09:04 PM     Edit: 08-Apr-03  |  09:05 PM   -   RE: Ironic

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o fuck off nutos

bleedin' drug addled hippie bullshit 



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Message 71/103                 Date: 08-Apr-03  @  09:21 PM   -   RE: Ironic

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he he, you didn't like the picture of Hanuman Smith ?

:p



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Message 72/103                 Date: 08-Apr-03  @  09:26 PM   -   RE: Ironic

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zazza that wasnt what you were talking about and you KNOW it.

forget it. I keep saying Im not gonna get back into this argument with people.

xoxos..you otta be allowed to live off the land as you see fit. any hindrance there is just wrong



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Message 73/103                 Date: 08-Apr-03  @  09:26 PM   -   RE: Ironic

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Hanuman is cool, all those images in the middle of the thread aren't, patrticularly..

hmmm....

flexes fingers...



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Message 74/103                 Date: 08-Apr-03  @  09:35 PM   -   RE: Ironic

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two sides to a coin. at this point the coin is spinning on it's edge. which side it will fall lies in our hearts.

everything that spins fluctuates



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Message 75/103                 Date: 08-Apr-03  @  10:42 PM   -   RE: Ironic

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for is it not truly written, 'fragile, this way up'?



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Message 76/103                 Date: 08-Apr-03  @  11:02 PM   -   RE: Ironic

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Because drinking makes you pissed

Influx you are a voice for your generation and so I am talking to you

Past terrors 'getting better every day in every way' combined with the 'lameness' of true but soooo yesterday - is shit. I mean fish forget after 7 seconds and you are unhappy with the referesh rate of non US minds?

"do you still call germany out because of what happened in the 40s? " I thought i had.

"any hindrance there is just wrong". Talk about lame, taking the bull by the horns... well complain to the minister of fairness. This is possesion guys. Gypsies have no land, rely on movement to do what they do, but modern life became accepted and started building walls and getting papers and now gypsies are shit people cos their model cannot work now, shame really cos they cant afford spiralling house prices. What you gonna do about that. When is law stratification of a cultures priority over another acceptable..., when they are first to make the law, We-he-hell what sort of future is that then these purveyors of justice decide. First to think up the unthinkable and legislate and patent owns it. I laughed at the character in the little prince who bought the planets he could see through his telescope, but I suuppose commission is enough. Just what % increase have we seen in patent applications over the last years. As a model capitalism is selfish, boring and obvious and constrictive - maybe people excell there cos they are dead to the future

"well...again...one of my desires for the US is to pull back. get out of other peoples business, quit.." but until then I will consume sliced yoghurt and defend gas prices and feel better when I compare current actions with other countries history. Problem is I can't write a letter to Neville Chamberlaine telling him what a tit he looked getting of that plane telling us about peace in our time

Influx respects - i have had a few and you really are asking for it. I have no solution for that 'said something I shouldn't hv and come back to it...but there was a reason i said something in the first place, so lets go...dilemma'" as far as i am concerned you feel guilty about what your leaders are doing in this world and as a member of 'that' world I take your appology



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Message 77/103                 Date: 08-Apr-03  @  11:09 PM   -   RE: Ironic

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"I will consume sliced yoghurt "

you will....



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Message 78/103                 Date: 08-Apr-03  @  11:10 PM     Edit: 08-Apr-03  |  11:13 PM   -   RE: Ironic

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Fragile: This Way UP

it wasn't big enough



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Message 79/103                 Date: 09-Apr-03  @  12:33 AM   -   RE: Ironic

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well, i've been thinking about it a lot, influx (not that that means i've accomplished anything, might just mean i'm a slow learner) and i have to say that's as decent an assertion as any.

there are a lot of things to consider, though, since there's a lot of people on top of each other on concrete. a convention, like money, seems like a good idea of sorting it out.. the problem is, to get money, you either have to (a) agree with others or (b) take advantage of others.

i could go on and on about that, but i'll leave it there with that spread open raw example of the assimilative subprogramming in human culture.. all the evil algorithms are connective. it's like concentrating on the created partnership instead of the common goal. it's like girl tests.

cattle are easier to herd when they keep each other bunched.



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Message 80/103                 Date: 09-Apr-03  @  12:39 AM   -   RE: Ironic

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thinking about self-herding cattle brings to mind my dear crackhead friend.. nouveau riche daddy, but lower class (u.s.) couldn't hack the social mannerisms at the country club, got depressed cos everyone seemed to treat him like shit (hmm...) went to iraq back then and says "dead bodies in tanks smell like fried chicken. no, it doesn't bother me." crack i say.

there he is, boldly asserting "I AM THE ALPHA SHEEP." dan.



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Message 81/103                 Date: 09-Apr-03  @  01:23 AM   -   RE: Ironic

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cheddar if I could understand SINGLE FCKING THING you just wrote I might give a flyin fck

I dont feel guilty because it aint ME perpetrating these things you poor little whiner OH GOD THE US IS JUST STEPPING ALL OVER YOU!

who the hell defended gas prices?

you guys...all of you can fck off with your smug "I got you all figured out" shit cuz you

DONT

KNOW

SHIT

about where Im comin from

dammit why cant I just leave this thread alone

cheddar, youre an obtuse, arrogant, pseudo-intellectual who hides his regurtitative "knowledge" behind encoded HORSESHIT

now back off



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Message 82/103                 Date: 09-Apr-03  @  08:05 AM     Edit: 09-Apr-03  |  08:06 AM   -   RE: Ironic

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'now back off'...

You packing heat Big I?



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Message 83/103                 Date: 09-Apr-03  @  09:03 AM   -   RE: Ironic

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I am leaving it be, but have to say. I am frightened that you are going to report me to the 'Suspicious behaviour hotline' or chat with zour brother who works in the Dept of Anterior Intelligence.

No more from me



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Message 84/103                 Date: 09-Apr-03  @  09:43 AM   -   RE: Ironic

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no more, but you have to throw THAT in there?

man..your head is so far up your fcking ass Im amazed you can see through all the brown.

you dont know me, fool. you have no idea what Im doin, where Im goin, or what I think, and for you to imply that im some sort of fascist...well...you just dropped about ten rungs on the respect ladder

which means now that youre not even on it cuz youve been a smug asshole from the start

oh..zazza..heh..packin...no fckin way, man! Guns are for people that cant fistfight 



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Message 85/103                 Date: 09-Apr-03  @  09:57 AM   -   RE: Ironic

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'Guns are for people that cant fistfight'

You mean like the US Army?



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Message 86/103                 Date: 09-Apr-03  @  03:11 PM   -   RE: Ironic

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antagonistic motherfuckers! stop riling up influx! YES it's funny, but there's really no need for it and it's gone WAY too far.

we used to have real debates around here without losing respect for one another. wtf, people?

psy



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Message 87/103                 Date: 09-Apr-03  @  06:31 PM     Edit: 09-Apr-03  |  06:39 PM   -   RE: Ironic

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We used to have real debates around here?

Which forum you been reading?

This one maybe?

Wind up Influx? By posting a picture of a gym with an escalator?

I am in love with Donald Rumsfeld. Read his poetry HERE. this man is deep.

Here's one to get you started:

The Unknown


As we know,

There are known knowns.

There are things we know we know.

We also know

There are known unknowns.

That is to say

We know there are some things

We do not know.

But there are also unknown unknowns,

The ones we don't know

We don't know.


And HERE is a nice soundbite from Don... 

This one is good TOO! go Don!


Whole bunch HERE



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Message 88/103                 Date: 09-Apr-03  @  06:40 PM   -   RE: Ironic

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okay... gyms... donald rumsfeld. debate. roight. where to start?  



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Message 89/103                 Date: 09-Apr-03  @  06:46 PM     Edit: 09-Apr-03  |  06:55 PM   -   RE: Ironic

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Dont you love that 'unknown' quote tho, this man is obviously wasting his talents drawing up plans for world domination!



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Message 90/103                 Date: 09-Apr-03  @  06:47 PM   -   RE: Ironic

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I'm jumpin on the last car of this train for this... sorry, I'm an ass...

If America pulled back, closed it's borders, minded it's own business:

Lettuce would cost us $4.00 a head. Jeans would cost us $500 a pair. Shoes? well, most of us would be barefoot! We would all be living out a medieval nightmare in the US because our ENTIRE economic superiority gig is a shell game! We live on the backs of those in other countries who are forced to live as they do by the circumstance of their poverty. History will remember our society as a gluttonous, heavy handed tyranny that lived high on slave labor and war attrocities!

Raising the water so everyone's boat can float is a bunch of bullshit. the metaphor is better stated as lowering everyone's boats to meet the water! And I'm curious to see how long fat, apathetic Americans (hell, industrialized westerners for that matter) would put up with it before the were happy to send their children off to die for their comfort!

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Message 91/103                 Date: 09-Apr-03  @  06:50 PM   -   RE: Ironic

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no no errata, the wealth of the west is based entirely on the protestant work ethic and superior genes!

tsk...



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Message 92/103                 Date: 09-Apr-03  @  07:05 PM     Edit: 09-Apr-03  |  07:09 PM   -   RE: Ironic

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what the fuck does it matter if my crotch is a bit smelly? and why do i have to flush 5 gallons of water for a few ml of piss ?

The Unknown Knows

On this train
Will it always rain?
Try to analyze
This led venture
Songless sky, digital bug-eye
Octogonal seems so much clearer
Indiscrete, status incomplete
To provide me with
Something better

Things come and go
This world is droll
All that I know
The Unknown knows

Talk to me you flying shadows
Wandering into the ozone stew
Keep your myths from the embryos
Who would misconstrue
Anything new
An outright official fiasco
Can you shield me
From the drastic truth

Times come and go
How dull the flow
All that I hope
The Unknown knows

Have some sign come to me
That I am in their league
Back down to reality
Look about, response is wanting
Events are carefully on display
Common sense, a gift, is given
But mystic mistakes are never made
Suspecting premature daydreams

I surrender to ritual grey
I come and go
Endless approach
I must be close
The Unknown knows

Why all this commotion now?
Stop...wait
I wish I knew the one who knows
Yesterday will come
With tomorrow's sun
And merry-go-round
vStuck on muddy ground
Nineteen yelping fools
Half-wits spouting drool
Half of which have some
The others have none
I knew all along

funny, i didn't remember it like that



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Message 93/103                 Date: 09-Apr-03  @  07:16 PM   -   RE: Ironic

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that's cool...



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Message 94/103                 Date: 09-Apr-03  @  07:43 PM   -   RE: Ironic

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errata - do you really, really, really think that americans become soldiers because they want to? everyone i've seen do it did it because they didn't know what else to do (seems like the best thing to do, same thing.)

and on that last phrase i must ask.. with no intention of harm..

influx.. do *you* know where you're coming from?

i mean.. what do you do with a situation like being born into a corrupt society, when in all likelihood the only survival techniques you know implicate it?

my guess is for the most part there's fuck all you can do (in comparison to what you'd like to see happen) and every day is an internal conflict with no forthcoming solution.

i've got my answer (and i like it) but i'm just posing the question for now.

jey-eff how much do ya think i could git for my voivod e.p. picturedisc?? (you know if you didn't send me stamps you'd never have got shit.. i gotta be poor!)



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Message 95/103                 Date: 09-Apr-03  @  08:02 PM   -   RE: Ironic

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no clue rurik, i've never really considered this. a few bucks for sure. someone on the board said a copy of Outer Limits on vinyl reached 300$, but i have a hardtime believing that.



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Message 96/103                 Date: 09-Apr-03  @  08:05 PM   -   RE: Ironic

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oh, and those of you i promised a copy will get it soon, it's finally been released domestic.



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Message 97/103                 Date: 09-Apr-03  @  09:17 PM   -   RE: Ironic

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I dont know how this got turned around...but my final word is this:

I am not defending america. I am well aware that this place, as all big govt systems get, is out of control, and is founded on "bullying" (oversimplification)

I defend the BASIS...the idealistic foundation...what things were supposed to be, because I truly admire the ideal.

simple as that.

calling me a fascist is ludicrous.

oh..and about inner conflict? HELL YES!

but Ill tell you what:

show me an option. Show me a better way, and Im there. Im already doing my best to live 'right' as I can, but I would be the first to admit that I am a LONG way off from being anywhere near...in tune....not a parasite

and yes, I am sometimes ashamed of this

but the fact remains that 99% of you just sit there and complain, and call yourselves clever for it! If youre so concerned OFFER SOLUTIONS!

and I say Zinn for president. Does THAT validate my fascism?



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Message 98/103                 Date: 09-Apr-03  @  11:47 PM   -   RE: Ironic

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this got turned around right back up at the top there i think. i don't know what zazza's intention was but i thought it looked kinda japanese/chinese myself. what with the roof tiles, and the typeface on "fitness" is kinda like what they use over there. i've certainly no idea about the nationality of fitness centre companies around the globe. to me, it was just funny.

my solution is to laugh more at jokes and not take yourself so seriously.



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Message 99/103                 Date: 10-Apr-03  @  02:00 AM   -   RE: Ironic

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Say no more Influx - you're point is clear to me, anyways. Not your fault people aren't understanding where you are coming from. People read what they want to read.



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Message 100/103                 Date: 10-Apr-03  @  07:47 AM     Edit: 10-Apr-03  |  07:55 AM   -   RE: Ironic

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Well, if you want to do something you could start small and close to home join the boycott of Taco Bell:

Some nicely paid jobs in Florida:

The American fast food giant Taco Bell has been buying tomatoes produced by slave and sweatshop labour, according to a group of Florida tomato pickers who held a 10-day hunger strike outside the company's headquarters.
Some of the tomato pickers earn barely one cent - less than a penny - for each pound of tomatoes picked and others have been forced to work under threat of violence in what has been classified as slavery by law enforcement agencies.

"Taco Bell has a policy that it will not buy food from contractors that mistreat animals," said Lucas Benitez, a hunger striker and one of the leaders of the Coalition of Immokalee Workers, which is spearheading the campaign. "All we are asking is that they have the same policy for humans."

HERE (taco bell slavery) is a google link.. strangely FOX News hasn't been covering this in any great depth....



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Message 101/103                 Date: 10-Apr-03  @  05:29 PM   -   RE: Ironic

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one problem is to me that people don't seem to recognise that when they establish a commercial relationship with a purveyor of goods and services (i'm going to have to write a song that says 'goods and services' together a lot) they are relinquishing all responsibility for the manner in which these goods and services are enacted.

for the record, since you answered influx, my solution is as follows: many characteristics of the 'u.s.' ie. those who are related to what that string represents are intrinsic to life itself. i've got no problem declaiming something manifest in the u.s. w/o necessarily stating that it's globally (ie. universally, not planetwide) pertinent.

the fact that so many intelligent people don't recognise that life is in and of itself, uncool, does not surprise me, but it's a good argument for my conciousness being distinctly seperate in nature from those simulacrums presented to me on the physical plane, ie. you.

consuming to perpetuate existence is rigged, as a life-mechanism and manifest in capitalism. it's a manipulative device. while i'm here, i see no harm in pointing this out to any possible parallel intelligences who haven't had the perspective to determine this possibility.

the onset of life is such a massive change that there's no continuity to provide any reason to recollect existence before life. i guess it doesn't really matter, i just hate to see so many people enjoy life instead of detest it.

pop! goes the weasel.



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Message 102/103                 Date: 10-Apr-03  @  05:48 PM     Edit: 10-Apr-03  |  05:48 PM   -   RE: Ironic

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He said simulacrum.

I think cat lifeforms are cool. Humans will likely perish though they may dream of Mars-conquest.

Physical life is just vicious but I'm not convinced that we people are just the physical part. Of course a bunch are, hence funeral homes and weeping over someone's "death" blablabla

Look at the round kitty! She's not quite as round anymore.



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Message 103/103                 Date: 10-Apr-03  @  05:50 PM   -   RE: Ironic

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The kitty (La Tortuga) is in fact 20 feet tall and eats babies for breakfast, capitalists for lunch, and politicians for dinner. She is in fact smarter than most of you could ever hope to be, and breathes fire - hot nasty fire, at that.



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