Original Message 1/67                 Date: 01-Oct-02  @  06:39 PM   -   Guitar Band Talk

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Was listening to Steve Lamaq on radio one for a change. They were talking about the current guitar band scene and discussing how it's an interesting time for guitar bands. Kinda like the late 80's cause all the labels (major and minor)A&R people are sitting in the front two rows at all these small gigs. Basically trying to find the next "Strokes" or "White Strips".

Apparently major labels are going back to the old school. Basically, trying to find bands and nuture them into the next "U2" or "REM". There's this band in Denmark (can't remember the name) and they were totally unknown out of their country. Even in their country they only played gigs and didn't ever record/release anything. Anyway, word spread and they've just been signed for a 7 figure sum.

The circle turns and now the labels are heavily into signing guitar bands. Its cool watching bands (I'm not a regular guitar gig attender) like Ash and The White Stripes though, cos there is always this strange kinda sexual tension going on between the male lead singers and the female guitarist/drummer. Its like go and rent a bloody room!

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Message 2/67                 Date: 01-Oct-02  @  07:36 PM   -   RE: Guitar Band Talk

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i thought they were married?... (stripes) - anyways a "7 figure sum" doesnt mean much... nuff artists get xx million launches and flop still.

the problem I see it is they are trying to create an alternative to the genuine youth market which they dont want to touch or want to back away from a bit, ('urban' music).. but in rock there isnt really any new style to cash in on like there was in the 50's, 60's, 70's and 80's & 90's... it's all been done already - how much 'harder' can band go?... not much... so what's the alternative?.. songs are scarce on the ground I heard.. plenty of bands, no decent writers tho so they say... So you got thrashy stuff, sorta 'grunge leftovers' but where the old grunge guys were drawing on older music for their influence and thus propelled quality songs by taking that influence and dirtying it up, the new bands i dont think have any much musical history to draw from so their songs are a bit like badly rehashed simple chords. it's sort of lost it's spark so they are going for novelty records almost right now until a new genre appears to bandwaggon onto I guess...

i think mebbe a classic rock sound will make a comeback soon... a move away from this endless 'thrash with melody' clones, back to a little 'guitar heroism' a bit, and more musician-y bands mebbe??...

Britian has DEFINATELY lost out totaly in rock now tho.

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Message 3/67                 Date: 01-Oct-02  @  09:25 PM   -   RE: Guitar Band Talk

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radiohead's next album better be another "bends" or they're going to be in the same underground boat as all us other synthers.

wouldn't it be a perfect time for another rock radiohead album? THAT's classic rock IMO.

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Message 4/67                 Date: 02-Oct-02  @  08:40 PM   -   RE: Guitar Band Talk

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I really liked At the Drive-In but then Grand Royal folded and they broke up.

dunno..tool/perfect circle...still heavy and still quite good

the new stuff? CRAP.

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Message 5/67                 Date: 02-Oct-02  @  09:36 PM   -   RE: Guitar Band Talk

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at the drive in broke up.. dman that makes me happy.. they were so..bad (personal opinion) not offend anyone..
this is to the peple here in USA.. WHat do you guys think about the whole Emo-rrock thing? its gotten so big in this last year or so.. seems like its for the grown up scenester punk rockers and old goths... I see so many people in hick hats and super tight clothes.. its weird.. I went to couple shows and there was this band called Dutvh flat.. pretty emo uset skinny guys they were.. they had 2 drummers and used some synths it was pretty cool... I just dont like guitars too much because of the whole everyone who wanted to be a rockstar picked up a guitar when we were in 8 th grade... back to my cave.

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Message 6/67                 Date: 02-Oct-02  @  09:38 PM   -   RE: Guitar Band Talk

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but now everyone wants to be a techno star

and at the drive in was NOT bad

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Message 7/67                 Date: 02-Oct-02  @  11:47 PM   -   RE: Guitar Band Talk

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yeah they were ;)

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Message 8/67                 Date: 03-Oct-02  @  01:55 AM   -   RE: Guitar Band Talk

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OH jesus if Radiohead made another bends or pablo honey, I'd puke and cry myself to sleep. Even THEY admit they hate both of those albums... There fanbase would die down QUICK.


Oh, and god praise MBV Loveless.

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Message 9/67                 Date: 03-Oct-02  @  02:16 AM   -   RE: Guitar Band Talk

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you think, espoo?

Funny how all my "radio-headed" friends want another Bends. At least an ok computer. They're all rockers, though. I could go either way. But if you're talkin about saving rock, another rock Radiohead album would do the cause well, no? regardless of whether you liked the bends or not.

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Message 10/67                 Date: 03-Oct-02  @  09:09 AM   -   RE: Guitar Band Talk

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I love Radiohead's actual music but that Tom bloke's (lead singer) voice is bloody awful. I'm all for a pained expression in vocals but his singing is just plain rubbish.

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Message 11/67                 Date: 03-Oct-02  @  04:12 PM   -   RE: Guitar Band Talk

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Emo sucks ass. Boring music, boring lyrics, and those bands have the most boring live shows I've ever seen.

Buffalo is filled with that shit.

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Message 12/67                 Date: 04-Oct-02  @  12:02 AM   -   RE: Guitar Band Talk

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stupid fucking lookatmeimdifferent name anyway.

Emo. ptooey

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Message 13/67                 Date: 04-Oct-02  @  03:11 AM   -   RE: Guitar Band Talk

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"Emo sucks ass. Boring music, boring lyrics, and those bands have the most boring live shows I've ever seen.

Buffalo is filled with that shit. "

So is Seattle.
Thanks.. I tought I was the only one... Its a big fashion show.. i keep seeing these guys in hick hats.. like the ones with mesh and have somme trucker thing on it.. it doesnt make sense... anyways.

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Message 14/67                 Date: 04-Oct-02  @  02:18 PM   -   RE: Guitar Band Talk

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reconciliation of mutant genes with programming. "okay, okay, i'm ordinary! let me fuck!"

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Message 15/67                 Date: 04-Oct-02  @  06:15 PM   -   RE: Guitar Band Talk

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screw rock.
If you can't make something good out of it, I don't want you to emulate someone who "saved" it, therefore killing it again with imitators.

RHead might as well be electronic now anyway...
Kid A is as classic as it gets.

And those trucker hats make me sick. They sell them at urban outfitters for 30 bucks.

Argh.
The state of intelligence in this world just never ceases to amaze me.

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Message 16/67                 Date: 04-Oct-02  @  07:23 PM   -   RE: Guitar Band Talk

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" They sell them at urban outfitters for 30 bucks. " god damn right.. ahh fashion.. so funny sometimes.

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Message 17/67                 Date: 06-Oct-02  @  09:35 AM   -   RE: Guitar Band Talk

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rock and roll lives here.

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Message 18/67                 Date: 06-Oct-02  @  11:36 AM   -   RE: Guitar Band Talk

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WEH-HEY!!... got my drummer yesterday!... and fuck me can he play!!!... he plays real jazzy and fluid & Mitch Mitchell-y/Moon-y too, sorta Dave Grolsh crossed with Keith Moon - but best of all he can actualy lay down a groove which alot of dynamic drummers cant do! ... heh, at one point he was going off on this really fast funky jazzy thing at double time and it started to become drum & bass even! - Anyways, it'll be worth coming to see live that's for sure, we sounded fucking great even without a bass!

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Message 19/67                 Date: 07-Oct-02  @  10:24 PM   -   RE: Guitar Band Talk

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is rock an influence to you guys when you make music. I listen to alot of rock but i don't think it affects me making music. But if we getting into that subject - i really like incubus. Goodshit!

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Message 20/67                 Date: 07-Oct-02  @  10:28 PM   -   RE: Guitar Band Talk

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"the new stuff? CRAP."
i really beg to differ. I like todays music - they starting to blend electronic/rock/hiphop etc. Really good stuff. Makes me drool...  

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Message 21/67                 Date: 07-Oct-02  @  10:32 PM   -   RE: Guitar Band Talk

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er... I'm a musician, i'll listen to anything that's got 'something' going for it.

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Message 22/67                 Date: 07-Oct-02  @  11:09 PM   -   RE: Guitar Band Talk

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yup, but when youve listened to enough music you catch the insincerity pretty fuckin fast. All I hear out here are these "oh poor me IM SO FUCKING PISSED" bands screaming and yelling about their horrible suburban upbringings

and then that GOD DAMN MAKE THE CAMERA SHAKE SO THE SONG SOUNDS HARDER filming technique for videos?!?!?!

and..Incubus? sorry, but they lost their balls the minute they signed past S.C.I.E.N.C.E. which was a BEAUTIFUL effort

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Message 23/67                 Date: 08-Oct-02  @  12:59 AM   -   RE: Guitar Band Talk

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"beg to differ"? Prong! now thats what i used to call good rock music!  

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Message 24/67                 Date: 08-Oct-02  @  01:54 AM   -   RE: Guitar Band Talk

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WHAT?!?! you must be kidding me. I absolutely loved their make yourself lp. I haven't really heard their newer one yet. but make yourself was good. They changed up alot from s.c.i.e.n.c.e but i liked it. in a different way i mean.

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Message 25/67                 Date: 08-Oct-02  @  05:28 AM   -   RE: Guitar Band Talk

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sorry, but the "new look" and "new sound" just dont do it for me at all

band went from bein on the edge of originality, to yet another commercial PRODUCT.

i was truly sad to see that one go down. Hed, too

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Message 26/67                 Date: 08-Oct-02  @  02:16 PM   -   RE: Guitar Band Talk

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Hed, as in Hed PE? I enjoyed their shit myself.

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Message 27/67                 Date: 08-Oct-02  @  10:54 PM   -   RE: Guitar Band Talk

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yeah. before they were HedPE...they did an indy release called Church of Realities

this was at their heyday here in OC...I used to see them play pretty much weekly, and as far as a perfect blend of aggression and funk..they had no rivals

then they got signed to JIVE...did the self titled album...and...it was pretty fuckin good still..somehow lost the energy from the indy release (the tracks that were on "HedPE" didnt seem to explode the way they did on "Church")

I lost track after that...started hearing them on KROQ and it just was...gone. SO sad

their MC was one of the best Ive ever heard

if you get a chance..listen to IFO on church of realities. Its on HED too, but...just not the same.

their drummer...TIGHT AS FUCK, too. really a damn good outfit all around

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Message 28/67                 Date: 09-Oct-02  @  12:50 AM     Edit: 09-Oct-02  |  12:53 AM   -   RE: Guitar Band Talk

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i dunno... thats the thing though. Just because an artist start "commericialising" they turn bad? I mean, it doesn't really matter to me if they changed their look or sound. Its if I like this new look or sound.

Like i said before, i know they've changed but I still like incubus. Just in a different way than before.

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Message 29/67                 Date: 09-Oct-02  @  01:07 AM   -   RE: Guitar Band Talk

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well thats fine for you, man! Im not trying to convince you otherwise

but yes...if they change their look or sound they are sellouts, no fucking two ways about it

changing your sound...well..thats one thing...people do evolve and develop new tastes and influences, I mean shiiit..>BEATLES?

but...aww come on man...are you going to start defending the music industry and the snatchemupchewmgoodtiltheflavorsgonethenspitemoutandforgetem way that it ALWAYS works?

PLEASE dont. I beg of you!

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Message 30/67                 Date: 09-Oct-02  @  02:42 AM   -   RE: Guitar Band Talk

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well... some people do run out of "flare"... it seems that if you want to survive in the business - you have to adapt and "sellout". Some people will remain fans no matter how you change and some will bash you for selling out. I can't really defend those who do but its really their decision. Its either stay in or be slowly kicked out. They want to appeal to the masses because they need to or soon they won't survive in the business. They will lose to the 500 other ppl who sellout. I guess I don't really support the idea of doing so - if they can they should remain the way they are. But its really like a survival of the fittest thing here.

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Message 31/67                 Date: 09-Oct-02  @  02:48 AM   -   RE: Guitar Band Talk

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only because a certain group created it that way, AND bands go along with it

takes both sides for it to work

thing is...incubus was DAMN GOOD before all this, and SCIENCE sold pretty fuckin well, with no compromise whatsoever

it comes down to people just wanting way too fucking much, and then letting someone sell them this 'dream' where they can HAVE IT, but it rarely works out anyway

its like the people here in SoCal...someone recently said to me "well, you cant comfortably live unless you make $80k a year"

?!?!?!?!?!

unless you get over the idea that you NEED all these fucking expensive things.

and thats what happens with bands. Instead of spending the money on a good record, and selling it and doing ok, they fall for the gluttony that is the modern world, and suddenly a $300k advance just doesnt look good enough anymore

as for the sellout thing aww who the fuck knows, ya know? Maybe incubus wanted to change. Im not bashing them cuz i have no idea. I just cant stand what theyre doing now. I can say that I see right through it, and at the center theres one thing lacking: the soul that was integral to the music on science and that crazy fungus album...

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Message 32/67                 Date: 09-Oct-02  @  02:58 AM   -   RE: Guitar Band Talk

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Yeah, i guess it could be a money thing. The difference from now and then? Well you say soul - i say they lost their funk touch and added much loungeyness (if that is a word). I've never heard their fungus lp. I don't see it around here.

Thats kinda another example. I guess if you go mainstream and follow the masses, your music circulates better. For example, I can find Make Yourself so easily but I can't find the fungus lp anywhere. Thats just another downside to the music business. The sellouts get alotta play but the nonsellouts are ignored and hard to find.

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Message 33/67                 Date: 09-Oct-02  @  09:22 AM   -   RE: Guitar Band Talk

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David Bowie never sold out.

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Message 34/67                 Date: 09-Oct-02  @  10:33 AM   -   RE: Guitar Band Talk

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yeah... the Pepsi commercials he did were great... and... it didnt make his career slide off the map like all the other artists who did 'pepsi'... did it...

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Message 35/67                 Date: 09-Oct-02  @  11:03 AM   -   RE: Guitar Band Talk

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bowie never sold out?

ever seen an album called "Earthling"? Dunno if I'd call that selling out but its the same damn thing trying to jump on some fucking "new" thing...

heh. thats a whole nother argument...artists who really did some amazing shit in their time but REFUSE to let go...

aerosmith anyone?

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Message 36/67                 Date: 09-Oct-02  @  11:22 AM   -   RE: Guitar Band Talk

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I meant more the music than management decisions. I think Heathern Chemistry is a fantastic album.

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Message 37/67                 Date: 09-Oct-02  @  11:31 AM   -   RE: Guitar Band Talk

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c'mon man, I throw songs away better than that crap he's just released - the guy needs to retire injured, he's well rinsed out.

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Message 38/67                 Date: 09-Oct-02  @  11:52 AM   -   RE: Guitar Band Talk

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Wow K, you should of been up for a mecury music prize nomination in his place then :-). I think the album is excellent and he's still amazing live.

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Message 39/67                 Date: 09-Oct-02  @  02:56 PM   -   RE: Guitar Band Talk

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I haven't heard the new one, but up until that he hasn't done anything worthwhile since scary monsters and that record's gotta be like 20 years old by now

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Message 40/67                 Date: 09-Oct-02  @  03:40 PM   -   RE: Guitar Band Talk

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OK, OK point taken :-). Is there any artist though that has maintained credibility in both music and marketing for the whole of their career?

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Message 41/67                 Date: 09-Oct-02  @  04:38 PM   -   RE: Guitar Band Talk

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fuck him... what a letdown, he's lost it, sold out... c'mon man... fucking PEPSI!!

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Message 42/67                 Date: 09-Oct-02  @  05:02 PM   -   RE: Guitar Band Talk

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LOL @ K. :-)

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Message 43/67                 Date: 09-Oct-02  @  05:04 PM   -   RE: Guitar Band Talk

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"Is there any artist though that has maintained credibility in both music and marketing for the whole of their career?"

Madonna would have to come close. She's changed her look and sound a million times, but she's still "Madonna." And while she may be a pop whore, she alwyas was a pop whore so at least she's true to her image. I think most people would agree that she's done great things for pop music, whether they like her songs or not.

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Message 44/67                 Date: 09-Oct-02  @  05:07 PM   -   RE: Guitar Band Talk

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>> Is there any artist though that has
maintained credibility in both music and
marketing for the whole of their career?

sure there are.

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Message 45/67                 Date: 09-Oct-02  @  05:21 PM   -   RE: Guitar Band Talk

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Easy one.

Pink Floyd.

They gross MILLIONS on their tours.
And the new music is still top notch.
Division Bell was great... No DSOTM, but great.

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Message 46/67                 Date: 09-Oct-02  @  08:26 PM   -   RE: Guitar Band Talk

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i think they're the same way tho.. a marketing department who just happened to be skilled musicians..

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Message 47/67                 Date: 09-Oct-02  @  08:50 PM   -   RE: Guitar Band Talk

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Barry Manilow?

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Message 48/67                 Date: 09-Oct-02  @  09:53 PM   -   RE: Guitar Band Talk

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I'll vote for madonna. dont like her much but she's always done the same thing.

Floyd, too....

very few others. cant even think of any

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Message 49/67                 Date: 09-Oct-02  @  10:42 PM   -   RE: Guitar Band Talk

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Ozric Tentacles

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Message 50/67                 Date: 10-Oct-02  @  12:13 AM   -   RE: Guitar Band Talk

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well, I think there's a difference in an audience coming around to an artist's thing -- them becoming popular organically -- versus a band forming or changing to leech off a fad (i.e. creed clones, people who "go country" during peaks of popularity, etc). there's also the ones who remake themselves occasionally when they've perhaps taken a particular sound as far as they can without repeating themselves, y'know an update or a makeover, versus people who let the label mooks mold their image so that the marketing departments can "get behind it". sometimes what an artist's fans want is not experimentation or growth, but repetition of that thing that first caught their attention.

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Message 51/67                 Date: 10-Oct-02  @  02:08 AM   -   RE: Guitar Band Talk

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Tom Petty

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Message 52/67                 Date: 10-Oct-02  @  02:13 AM   -   RE: Guitar Band Talk

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Message 53/67                 Date: 10-Oct-02  @  09:42 AM   -   RE: Guitar Band Talk

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Captain Sensible?

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Message 54/67                 Date: 10-Oct-02  @  10:27 AM   -   RE: Guitar Band Talk

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I ate my hate over Madonna. Never liked the early stuff but loved pepole who did. One of them I had appologise to when (what is album before Ray of light) - that and ROL blew me away. I know its very much the partners making the tune (If William Orbit is here - you rock my world) but that could be a fair model - working with others, being able to be interesting (or rich) enough to stimulate other great people

U2 seem able to sound new and they do well live

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Message 55/67                 Date: 10-Oct-02  @  11:28 AM   -   RE: Guitar Band Talk

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true. U2. good one.

dunno..the ray of light thing..I was kinda bummed...

altho really when you think about it a lot of madonna's old shit is electronic, too...so...

its a grey area, aint it

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Message 56/67                 Date: 10-Oct-02  @  12:04 PM   -   RE: Guitar Band Talk

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yeah, but Ray of Light SHOULD have been credited as: 'William Orbit featuring Madonna'

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Message 57/67                 Date: 10-Oct-02  @  10:35 PM   -   RE: Guitar Band Talk

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very true

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Message 58/67                 Date: 10-Oct-02  @  11:33 PM   -   RE: Guitar Band Talk

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ROL was great. I still have it sitting around here somewhere. Didn't know Orbit did it though. Guess I should dig deeper.

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Message 59/67                 Date: 10-Oct-02  @  11:45 PM   -   RE: Guitar Band Talk

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Yeah, ROL is undeniably good. You may not like the music, but I've never heard anyone knock the production level or taste. You can't.

And even though the tracks are all Orbit, you also can't deny that they have a Madonna vibe. That is, even though she changed style she remained true to herself as far as singing and songwriting. I'm not a huge fan of Madonna's catalog, but I give her my utmost respect for being who she is and no one else.

Ozric Tentacles, too. They don't even fuck with the sound for 20+ years. :}

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Message 60/67                 Date: 11-Oct-02  @  10:29 PM   -   RE: Guitar Band Talk

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he claims it's mostly juno 106 for the synth stuff.

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Message 61/67                 Date: 11-Oct-02  @  10:30 PM   -   RE: Guitar Band Talk

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after her single populariased that clipped-edit guitar riff (where you edit off the last bit of the phrase to leave a gap) thing, it's appearing on lots of tracks.

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Message 62/67                 Date: 11-Oct-02  @  10:51 PM   -   RE: Guitar Band Talk

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you know now that you mention it k, I don't know if you listen to commercial hiphop nowadays, but they've gone back to that one-shot sample sound, playing it on a scale (not really paying attention to time stretching, ol skool style). Which is kinda how that Madonna track sounded with its stutter style. I remember a couple of my hiphoppin' buddies being excited about that track and I didn't really get why they liked Madonna all of a sudden. Seems her influence may have spread even there... the timing's about right.

That shit's all over the place now (boy, boy, boy, boy, oh-oh-oh-oh- boy! Hate that shit actually, really annoying. Kinda like Fatboy slim   )

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Message 63/67                 Date: 11-Oct-02  @  10:54 PM   -   RE: Guitar Band Talk

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ah, that was that other guy... whats his name... mirwais! thats it!

i read an interview with him once regarding that track. allegedly, his engineer likes to fuck around with strings of sysex and make samplers do weird things. then of course they chuck it into protools (as if you couldnt guess  )

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Message 64/67                 Date: 12-Oct-02  @  01:03 AM   -   RE: Guitar Band Talk

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yeah but i dont think that's how they did it with her track, i think they just edited a guitar track with butt cuts - i like that one shot style tho it's nice, like the old mirage days etc heh heh.

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Message 65/67                 Date: 12-Oct-02  @  01:06 AM   -   RE: Guitar Band Talk

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It's good for a couple measures if you change it up then, but it's the entire basis of too many tracks on the radio nowadays. Ick.

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Message 66/67                 Date: 12-Oct-02  @  02:15 PM   -   RE: Guitar Band Talk

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yeah well, wouldnt be the first time they talked shit in the interviews. remember cher and autotune, eh?   tsk

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Message 67/67                 Date: 12-Oct-02  @  10:37 PM   -   RE: Guitar Band Talk

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just had first play in a studio with the drummer I linked up with... oh yeah!... we already jammed at his yard on a mini kit, this time we used the studio bigger kit... he can really ing play!!! heh heh, this is gonna be great fun!

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