Original Message 1/27                 Date: 19-May-02  @  07:49 AM   -   Analog buffs on the Andromeda

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alright i think i have read almost everything ever written on this synth, but i still have time to ponder more people's opinions. Those of you who live sleep and breath analog lemme know: i want a synth that can be aggressive, soulful, phat, warm, nauseously dissonant, crazy, and graceful at the same time. i have heard that the andromeda is all these things and more. but i have also heard the quips that it has loose knobs, that the early O.S has bugs, that the presets are abyssmal, that the fx are worthless...but i still need to make a decision. i am looking t buy an incredible synth, and need a good controller too. if i were to get one for 2200 bucks, should i do it? give me better alternatives if you dont think i should do it. i have already been told that i should just get a nord modular and a sherman filterbank, or a virus and maybe a sid station...i have alot of options. tell me what you think.

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Message 2/27                 Date: 19-May-02  @  03:55 PM   -   RE: Analog buffs on the Andromeda

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not owning a modular and nothing of greater magnitude than a pro-one (aww..) i'd suggest a modular system and perhaps a six-trak or soemthing to run through it for polyphony. package deals.. you know.

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Message 3/27                 Date: 19-May-02  @  11:56 PM   -   RE: Analog buffs on the Andromeda

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I for one have long lusted after an Oberheim Xpander...and you could find one for $1500. no keys but you probably have a controller

just not that impressed by the alesis. But hey..Im not all elitist about the "tru analog" thing anyway, so...

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Message 4/27                 Date: 20-May-02  @  05:32 AM   -   RE: Analog buffs on the Andromeda

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http://www.bigbriar.com/cgi-local/SoftCart.100.exe/products_s.html?L+scstore+cpsx9843ff6a666a+1048086246


I hope the link works. It's a bit more than 2200 for the performer, but dude, let's face it: It's MOOG!!!!! You want the shit? That's the shit. It just doesn't get any badder for that kind of price.

Ape

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Message 5/27                 Date: 20-May-02  @  01:47 PM   -   RE: Analog buffs on the Andromeda

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i second the Oberheim Xpander. if i one day realise that i´ll never be able to afford one, then i´ll just make a life-sized model of one and keep it on my desk ;)

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Message 6/27                 Date: 20-May-02  @  06:21 PM   -   RE: Analog buffs on the Andromeda

Brett

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I second the xpander , and for the over $2k range the matrix12. the envelops on those are unreal. I was looking into getting a virus, but an xpander is more likly. They do even pop up on e-bay ocasionaly, but this place can get em for you. Analoge Modular Systems- e-mail them at polyfusion@aol.com

they got me my mks-80 for less than any of the ads I saw, and it's the first issue with the curtis chips, so they are somtimes cheaper than e-bay and are great to do business with.

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Message 7/27                 Date: 21-May-02  @  10:04 PM   -   RE: Analog buffs on the Andromeda

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I am not a true analog guy, myself. However, I was lucky enough to spend an hour or so with the A6. It sounds good, yes. It's really deep, yes.. Does it's sound justify spending almost $1k more than a Virus? Nope.

My 2 cents.

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Message 8/27                 Date: 23-May-02  @  10:18 PM   -   RE: Analog buffs on the Andromeda

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hey Influx, does the xpander do more than one part. I know it has 6 outs and 6 voices, but can you run 6 channels? I only had one in front of me for a few minutes and never did get to mess with the midi implimentation.

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Message 9/27                 Date: 24-May-02  @  07:15 AM   -   RE: Analog buffs on the Andromeda

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Admittedly, the coolest sounds I've ever heard come out of one single box came out of an xpander.

Ape

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Message 10/27                 Date: 24-May-02  @  04:49 PM   -   RE: Analog buffs on the Andromeda

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umm...i think xpander can be 6 part monophonic or something(?). i think it has some funny multimode implementation.

anyway, its also one of the coolest looking synths ever built!

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Message 11/27                 Date: 24-May-02  @  07:07 PM   -   RE: Analog buffs on the Andromeda

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I want the matrix-12!

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Message 12/27                 Date: 26-May-02  @  11:02 PM   -   RE: Analog buffs on the Andromeda

Brett

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I checked some threads on harmony central from way back, and the matrix 12, and I am assuming the xpanader, can be configured to have up to 6 zones on one channel so you can play 6 parts on one controler, or set it up to assign a diferant channel to each voice(up to 6) and to it's own out. Pretty amazing for a synth that old.

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Message 13/27                 Date: 11-Jun-02  @  06:03 AM   -   RE: Analog buffs on the Andromeda

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Message 14/27                 Date: 11-Jun-02  @  06:14 AM   -   RE: Analog buffs on the Andromeda

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well i ended up getting the andromeda and boy am i glad i did. dont get me wrong, i think the sound of an actual oberheim or moog is fantastic, but i want something more up to date and portable. besides, the andromeda can easily emulate some of the sounds of those aforementioned synths. As far as comparing the andromeda to a virus, that is like comparing a palm pilot to a solar powered calculator. the virus is a great synth, but it just does not have the capability and limitless capacity of the andromeda. with something like 115 modulation ports all routable to one another, coupled with the ability to stack each patch on top of one another, mixing them individually, this synth is unstopible.
granted alot of these moogs and oberheims have their own idiosyncratic feel and sound, which is the main reason to buy one, but the andromeda has its own sound too. anyone deep into programming should check out the A6. if you want amazing envelopes, the andromeda has those too. 7 stages, attack, decay1, decay2,delay, sustain, release1, release2, with level knobs for decay 1 and release 1. three modulation ports per envelope, and all three envelopes with dedicated knobs, you cant beat that. the A6 is amazing compared to what people make it out to be.

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Message 15/27                 Date: 11-Jun-02  @  03:54 PM   -   RE: Analog buffs on the Andromeda

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Like I said to their guy when he came round trying to promo the A6 - make it £999 quid and yes it'll sell... It's WAY overpriced.

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Message 16/27                 Date: 12-Jun-02  @  10:20 PM   -   RE: Analog buffs on the Andromeda

Brett

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one thing to point out, the Virus has a digital emuation that uses interpolation methods to create a cv style continuos signal to and from controlers. So smoothing is possible. On the andromeda, you have the steps so common on midi stepped potentiometers controling analog circuits.

I think $1900 us would do it for me. $999 is pushing it. The thing has 50lbs of custom made guts in it.

As for being portable. The xpander was pretty damn small in comparison to an andromerda. You need a fork lift to gig it!

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Message 17/27                 Date: 13-Jun-02  @  01:01 AM   -   RE: Analog buffs on the Andromeda

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i thought it was all motorola chipped?

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Message 18/27                 Date: 13-Jun-02  @  07:45 PM   -   RE: Analog buffs on the Andromeda

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the chips are custom from what micheal told us a while back. The one motorola chip does all the operations of the operating system but still somhow retains a vco instead of a dco. But I remeber him specificaly saying they licensed the design of the moog filter to make the custom filter chips. 16 I think? I'll run a search and pull it up. He mentioned it being the first product produced by a possible new business unit "Alesis Semi-Conductor". And they had intentions of makeing chips for other things.

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Message 19/27                 Date: 13-Jun-02  @  08:01 PM   -   RE: Analog buffs on the Andromeda

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here is what I brought up

“It's not a rumor. Dr. Moog met with Alesis CEO Keith Barr about the project at it's inception and gave us his blessing to use the Modular 921b oscillator and 904a lowpass filter circuitry, and the Andromeda oscillators and Filter 2 are directly based upon those. There were changes to accomodate the VLSI process which in itself altered the tone a bit, but there is certainly a recognizable "Moog" tone to it.
By the way, it's begun shipping in limited quantities, which will quickly ramp up in numbers. The current issue of German Keyboards magazine has some audio examples of it.”

“We're using the Coldfire 5307. It outputs control signals to each analog parameter, as you would expect. I'd like to share more, but I'm not allowed   “

so the cold fire is the controler and engine for the operations, but the rest is custom , filters osc etc.

the conversation I had with Peake was that there were 16 custom filter chips and osc as well. May have been an e-mail he sent me or on Sonic State.

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Message 20/27                 Date: 14-Jun-02  @  09:54 PM   -   RE: Analog buffs on the Andromeda

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Comparing a Virus to an Andromeda is NOT like comparing a solar calculator to a palm pilot. I own a Virus, and a Nord Lead, and have played the Andromeda. I'd say more like comparing a Porsche 911 Carrera and a Ferrari 360 Modena. The 360 is a little bit faster than the 911, but it's also $50k more. In return, you get a little more speed, a bit of exclusivity, and a real prancing horse on the nose.

Yes, the Andromeda has a more flexible mod matrix (so does the Q, compared to the Virus). Yes it's real analog. But it's not so much better that it blows off the Virus, or the Q. If the two were priced exactly the same, it'd be a tough decision for me.

These are just my opinions having played all the synths I've talked about. Your mileage may vary. I hope you are thrilled with the Andromeda - for that kind of money it should make you coffee in the morning and blow you before bed ;)

-Craig

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Message 21/27                 Date: 16-Jun-02  @  05:48 AM     Edit: 16-Jun-02  |  05:50 AM   -   RE: Analog buffs on the Andromeda

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The virus is on my list. It has a edgy and smooth sound I like and the midi implimentation and versatility that is unrivaled buy anything I have used. The Andromeda sounds like old analog. If I want analog i go with the old school. Why not it's cheaper, and sounds better. For the money I could buy a virus B and and an Xpander. No brainer!!!!!

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Message 22/27                 Date: 17-Jun-02  @  02:11 PM   -   RE: Analog buffs on the Andromeda

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For the money I could buy a virus B and and an Xpander. No brainer!!!!!

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Thanks Brett, you said what I was trying to say.

-Craig

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Message 23/27                 Date: 17-Jun-02  @  10:13 PM   -   RE: Analog buffs on the Andromeda

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I've recorded a bass sequence on 2 analogues and 3 VAs. Try to find out who is who ;-)

The little riddle is on www.trippler.net/music --> Stuff

Regards
Stefan

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Message 24/27                 Date: 18-Jun-02  @  01:31 AM   -   RE: Analog buffs on the Andromeda

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the only one I got right was the ppg. I think the virus and the Q had the lushest sound, the prodigy sounded off, tune wise, and the pulse is norrower but much more solid sounding. Perfect example of the variations of color associated with synths playing the same waveforms.

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Message 25/27                 Date: 18-Jun-02  @  06:43 AM   -   RE: Analog buffs on the Andromeda

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Hello Brett,

I think that it is possible to program patches that sound more identic on the different units. But I must admit that I didn't put too much effort in it, I just twiddled a little until I liked the sounds.

I think the examples are good to show that evry osc and filter sounds different but good though ;-)

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Message 26/27                 Date: 18-Jun-02  @  11:21 AM   -   RE: Analog buffs on the Andromeda

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i suck. didnt get a single one right. i didnt read the tips though  

i got fooled by the pulse, thinking it was a uQ. there´s deffinitely a similarity to their sound. hard.

tnx Stefan for providing the test, it really shows how we can be fooled by technology  

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Message 27/27                 Date: 01-Jul-02  @  02:09 AM   -   RE: Analog buffs on the Andromeda

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