Original Message 1/15                 Date: 10-May-02  @  08:19 PM   -   getting the kick balanced

Brett

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I have this issue that I get the kick right in the intro, then it's not right in the mix, and if it's right in the mix it's way to thumpy in the inro and breaks. Do mix engineers ride the volume on the kick to keep it right in diferant parts, or am I not compressing the kick enough?
I get it to sit better ith comp on the final mix, but I may be over doing it to fix this.

any tips !

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Message 2/15                 Date: 10-May-02  @  08:47 PM   -   RE: getting the kick balanced

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The REAL Brett should know this!!!

 

I don't think dance producers ride the faders much during the mix, that's more for fixing accoustic volume changes.

When I do different patterns like breakdowns, sections with Breakbeats and other things, I will usually mess with velocity settings on my kick and other things to get it to sound right in context of the pattern. I sometimes use a different kick if I feel like it. It's more of a feel thing. I like to get it sounding right in the main part of a track and then work backwards.

But, as a rule of thumb, if your kick is compressed enough for the 'main' parts, then it should sound right for the rest of the mix.

Maybe overall track compression during mastering will help?? I usually put it through my Quantum, and that keeps things pretty consistant sounding.

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Message 3/15                 Date: 10-May-02  @  09:27 PM   -   RE: getting the kick balanced

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I use a volume envelope in Sonar.

-Craig

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Message 4/15                 Date: 10-May-02  @  09:40 PM   -   RE: getting the kick balanced

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dunno. I make it sound right as a whole, and then it usuall sounds fine on its own

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Message 5/15                 Date: 10-May-02  @  11:27 PM   -   RE: getting the kick balanced

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take a break!

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Message 6/15                 Date: 11-May-02  @  05:40 AM   -   RE: getting the kick balanced

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well I do need a break,

but it's more like it pumps good with the bass going , but then when the bass isn't there and it's just the kick, the kick sounds wrong. I have fixed it in the past by drawing in a volume change when all the stuff drops in, but thought their may be a better way of compressing it. I really want to hear the kick clear and at the same level when the mix is going, as when it's soloed. Overall compression seems to work. It's just somthing that happens every now and then when i am using deep bass . I think multi-band may do the job better, and choosing a diferant kick sample for the bass i am using.

anyway, messed with it and posted it up "Das Boot" the title.

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Message 7/15                 Date: 11-May-02  @  06:54 AM   -   RE: getting the kick balanced

Brett

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i should probably sign in when i am pluging myself. i am bound to mis-type the link.

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Message 8/15                 Date: 12-May-02  @  12:34 PM   -   RE: getting the kick balanced

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I think it's ok to use different kicks on the one hand or layer them. On the other hand when compared to music that is played on acoustic instruments, the players change volume appropriately for different parts. I know in dance you need to keep things pretty pumping. I enjoy compressing the drums together so that when you pull out say everything but the snare, the snare jumps up in volume like it's shining in it's solo. You know all this stuff. I guess it's a matter of choosing what's appropriate for the thing at hand.

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Message 9/15                 Date: 12-May-02  @  09:55 PM   -   RE: getting the kick balanced

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You could:

Use a different kick for areas where you don't run the bassline.

EQ or use synthesis to fatten the kick up or boost the freqs that the bassline covered.

Just let it be... unless you need the kick to fill up the range, just let the kick sound different where it's not running against the bassline.

Just me two tacos...

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Message 10/15                 Date: 13-May-02  @  04:07 PM   -   RE: getting the kick balanced

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Reinforcment, Phase cancelation?

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Message 11/15                 Date: 15-May-02  @  05:39 PM   -   RE: getting the kick balanced

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I don't know about these other fools, but I ride the fuck out of my mixes, when I can, or automate. Of course your stuff's going to compress differently when you have different things coming in and out of your mix. Mixers have automation to do that. This nonsense about one style of music or another, is just that. You want the sound? Work it, dude. THAT'S engineering. That's the difference between playing a mix, putting your touch on it, and making the best sound you can get come out of whatever you're using, and just hitting play letting, and letting some fucking preset/program do your job for you, so that it just sounds like a machine. It may not come out perfect. So what? It comes out ALIVE. Don't be afraid to manipulate your mix. If you don't have the automation, rehearse the mix a few times to get it right. You'll get it sooner or later. Good luck.

Ape

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Message 12/15                 Date: 15-May-02  @  06:50 PM   -   RE: getting the kick balanced

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what i generally end up doing is getting it right in the heavy part of the mix, then during mastering , I just compress the intro or kick solo a little more until it sounds tight all the way through. I saw this being done in book I read about mastering, but I thought maybe it would be easier to just do it in the mixing stage.

got any fail-safe eq settings for a big bottom 909 thud.Delerium- " Silence, Sanctuary mix " comes to mind. I find cutting around the 300-400 helps when you bring up the gain on the comp. I think I would like the kick better if i had it going through a nice tube comp instead of an RCL. These software plugs can only do so much. I am not getting the meat i want from just the kick. I do when the bass is layered. Do I need to send it through a bass head, or magneto or somthing like that?

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Message 13/15                 Date: 15-May-02  @  09:52 PM   -   RE: getting the kick balanced

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Still sounds like you have a few reinforcement issues with the kick/bass interplay.

If it's bothering you so much, how about making a slightly fuller version of the kick that fires by itself and then use the regular one that works with the bass. It's a hack, but at least it gives you variation.


Why not post your loops one with just kick and one with bass and kick. It would be easier to figure out what's going on.


Mong.

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Message 14/15                 Date: 15-May-02  @  10:38 PM   -   RE: getting the kick balanced

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or layered with a nice cardboard box smaple...

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Message 15/15                 Date: 16-May-02  @  04:07 PM   -   RE: getting the kick balanced

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that damn box again! well, I really have it in the end, but it requires me to do differing eq and compresion on the final stereo mixdown.

I'll post up a sample of the kick I want and the one I have and we can go from there. Probably be tomorow. Got work late. I am at work now.. maybe I should actually do somthing here.. see ya!

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