Original Message 1/23                 Date: 26-Feb-02  @  02:52 AM   -   To 01v, or not to 01v

sector7g

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Sorry about the title...

Having DJ'ed around for the best part of 7 years now, I've decided to try my hand at the production end of things. My studio consists simply of a Nord Lead 2, an EMU E-5000 sampler, and a Boss Dr. 660 drum machine. After running all of these through a Soundcraft Folio F1(14/2), I've found myself out of channels on the mixer. So, it appears it's about time to upgrade. After doing a little homework (thanks Dancetech), I'm not sure if I should stay in the analog domain with a Mackie 1604, or drain my bank account and get a Yamaha 01v. With all of the features offered by the 01v (4-band parametric EQ, effects, dynamics processor, etc.) it seems like an easy choice to make.
However, I am currently using a Delta 44 audio card in my computer, which doesn't have a digital capabilities. It appears most people using the 01v try to keep the signal digital. I'm sure all of the A/D-D/A conversions between my analog gear going through the 01v to cubase will play havoc with sound quality. Alternaly, the Mackie desk will give me more than enough inputs/outputs, plus avoid the need for all those A/D-D/A conversions, plus give me more headroom when recording.

Any advise on how to proceed would be greatly appreciated. If there is anything else you need to know about my setup please ask away. Thanks for all your help,

Richard

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Message 2/23                 Date: 26-Feb-02  @  05:36 AM   -   RE: To 01v, or not to 01v

influx

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O1v

dont sweat the ad/da thing. sure..its degradation, but SLIGHT!!!!

the stuff you can do with an O1v..jeez. dont forget the 2 onboard FX, recall of mixes (no more takin pictures of knobs )

etc

thing is..you mention draining your account...are you talkin new? 1604vlz pro is what..like $800?

If youre in the states and youre patient you could score an O1v for that amount, easy

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Message 3/23                 Date: 26-Feb-02  @  07:28 PM   -   RE: To 01v, or not to 01v

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Wow, those things are like $1500 2nd hand on this end for sure... been wondering the exact same thing as Richard.

-M-

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Message 4/23                 Date: 26-Feb-02  @  07:29 PM   -   RE: To 01v, or not to 01v

influx

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I got one with adat once for $900

sure, I sold it, but theyre out there

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Message 5/23                 Date: 26-Feb-02  @  10:00 PM   -   RE: To 01v, or not to 01v

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It sounds like you may be better off with a tascam td-100. I think thats the name. It sports some dynamic, eq's etc, but has quality 20bit ad like the 01v and at $400 new when they were blowing them out, you should be able to find one used for even less. One thing to remember. A good analog mixer can add some nice distorion to a bass kick etc, that a digital mixer can't. For the money the 24 bit behringer DDX 3216 has got my vote. It's only a few hundred more than an o1v. It has two card slots for additional i/o and fx. There is a "Behringer DDX3216 DIGITAL 32CH Mixer NIB
Item # 1517061853" for sale on e-bay only at $1250 right now with no reserve and only 19 hours left! , Brett

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Message 6/23                 Date: 26-Feb-02  @  10:02 PM   -   RE: To 01v, or not to 01v

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the tascam is the TM-d1000. on ebay for $250!

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Message 7/23                 Date: 27-Feb-02  @  01:03 AM     Edit: 17-Mar-02  |  12:40 AM   -   RE: To 01v, or not to 01v

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Actually, Brett, the 01v is capable of adding quite a few interesting noises if you set the input gain a bit too high. Maybe not analog, but certainly interesting.

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Message 8/23                 Date: 27-Feb-02  @  01:04 AM   -   RE: To 01v, or not to 01v

gb

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Oh, and I agree about that new Behringer. It really looks like a killer.

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Message 9/23                 Date: 27-Feb-02  @  01:32 AM   -   RE: To 01v, or not to 01v

sector7g

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Thanks to everyone for your advise. The Behringer is definatly out of my price range, although I would take Brett's advise and snap one up if I had the cash.

I have checked the prices on ebay and the 01v's are going for $850ish while the TM-D1000's are about $350ish. On paper the mixers look about the same, with the 01v having better EQ's. Is that it, and is that worth $500? Surely there must be something I am missing.

Thanks again for your help, it's really appreciated.

- Richard

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Message 10/23                 Date: 27-Feb-02  @  01:59 AM   -   RE: To 01v, or not to 01v

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I looked at the TM-D1000 before i bought my o1v. It is a much more basic mixer. I don't belive the faders are automated or that it has options for additional i/o. The eq's and dynamic are only available on certain tracks. You get like 8 instances or somthing. It's been a while since it was in front of me. But the price was rediculously low. You shouldn't pay more than $300 for one as they were selling new for $400 last year! But as a good entry level mixer it will do a good job, If you upgrade your sound card to a TDIf like the egosys audio terminal , you would have a nice multi i/o set up. I am pretty possitive that it has the tdif i/o on it. If you are just looking for a good mixer for synths etc. The tascam will do fine. You might want to get a cheap tube direct box eventually to warm stuff up. I find that my synths could definatly use it. I am getting a fatman , they are only a few hundred used for the mic/preamp. I read a pretty good review on it for the money. By buying the cheaper mixer you caould afford a nice tube input device.

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Message 11/23                 Date: 27-Feb-02  @  02:45 AM   -   RE: To 01v, or not to 01v

influx

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the tascam has way less inputs stock, but there are expansions. Ive known folks that used the TM-D1000 and were quite happy

I still say O1v if you can afford it

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Message 12/23                 Date: 27-Feb-02  @  03:45 AM   -   RE: To 01v, or not to 01v

Richard Gunsenhouser

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Option 01v:

What seems to be the budget digital desk standard (for dance music at least). 4 band parametric EQ's, usable FX and dynamics, more inputs/outputs out of the box with excellent routing options, and a relatively easy interface.

Option TM-D1000:

About 1/3 the price of the competition. Everything else falls short of the 01v. But with all of it's shortcomings will the TM-D1000 get the job done?

My main concern is buying a mixer, then finding out that I've outgrown it in a few months. I would hate to have to spend more time and money on upgrading again.

Thanks again, and by the way influx... yes I am kidding about the new wife. She's really cool and supportive of everything I do.

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Message 13/23                 Date: 27-Feb-02  @  03:55 AM   -   RE: To 01v, or not to 01v

Brett B

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shit, if I had the money to upgrade to the behringer, I would sell you my o1v. Can you wait a month?

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Message 14/23                 Date: 27-Feb-02  @  04:01 AM   -   RE: To 01v, or not to 01v

Richard Gunsenhouser

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Yep, what you askin?

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Message 15/23                 Date: 27-Feb-02  @  04:19 AM   -   RE: To 01v, or not to 01v

Brett B

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I would have to see what they are bringing. It's never left it's perch for the year I have had it. Also I have to see what the beringers are bringing. E-mail me through my home page.

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Message 16/23                 Date: 27-Feb-02  @  04:33 AM   -   RE: To 01v, or not to 01v

influx

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I just saw an O1v with adat for $999

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Message 17/23                 Date: 27-Feb-02  @  05:48 AM   -   RE: To 01v, or not to 01v

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I don't have the adat my8ad. I would probably take $850. It cost me $1499 a year ago. That hurts, but The mixers I am looking at were $10k new and selling for $3k now so it's relative. But I need to have another lined up, and it's my remote for my synths. It has four programable banks that I put all my sysex info for my mks-80 in so I wouldn't have to buy a controler for $500. I didn't think about that.

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Message 18/23                 Date: 28-Feb-02  @  03:19 PM   -   RE: To 01v, or not to 01v

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One thing to be aware of with the O1v though is it has a very distinct bright sound. I would advise hearing one first to get an idea of what I mean. A freind of mine who produces Drum and Bass was using one for quite a while and found that when he came round to hearing his tune on a club PA the sound was just too toppy and "harsh". It might just be a subjective thing or even bad EQing but its something to take into consideration with all digital mixers, that you will use a lot of the warmth that comes with analogue.

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Message 19/23                 Date: 28-Feb-02  @  08:58 PM   -   RE: To 01v, or not to 01v

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nonsense.

'sides, tis nothing a good analog processor wouldnt kill. I run my mixes through a meek C2 and that takes care of that 

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Message 20/23                 Date: 28-Feb-02  @  09:17 PM   -   RE: To 01v, or not to 01v

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when mastering to vinyl, the engineer should be sending it through a good analog eq and compressor. Also you need to relize that most vinyl masters are sent through a process that sums the low end and convetrts it to mono to prevent out of phase issues from creating intercuts on the wax. This often will change the sound considerable if the producer making the track and the engineer didn't monitor in mono when mixing there bass. Some bass sounds fat out of phse, then switch to mono it just disappears.

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Message 21/23                 Date: 16-Mar-02  @  11:30 PM   -   RE: To 01v, or not to 01v

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Is anybody subscrubied to SoS here? They reviewed that new Behringer DDX3216 digital desk in the latest issue (April?) I'd like to know how they rated it, I might sell my Mackie board and get the Behringer instead.
TIA!

Peace.

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Message 22/23                 Date: 17-Mar-02  @  01:49 AM   -   RE: To 01v, or not to 01v

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the behringer is a nice mixer with full 24 bit ad's and dac's , but I am going with the 8 bus tascam dm24. I am keeping the o1v for sub mixing and giging though. I'll look for some more info on the 3216.

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Message 23/23                 Date: 17-Mar-02  @  02:00 AM   -   RE: To 01v, or not to 01v

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the summary for the behringer in sos is

pros

-supremely attractive price

-long-throw motorised faders

-generous number of channels, busses and processors

-easy to use, with clear manual

cons

-no analogoue i/o expansion currently available

-mix automation only holds one song at a time

summary

the ddx3216 appears to meet virtually all the needs of someone wanting a cost-effective digital mixer to accompany their 8 or 16 track digital recorder.

it also says "the overall sound quality compares favourably with other low-cost digital consoles, with the eq section offering a good compromise between analogue and digital".

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