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Original Message 1/19                 Date: 20-Oct-01  @  04:20 PM   -   MONITORS?

amileunderground

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I'm looking for some good monitors with some bottom end. How about the events or the Mackies self powered, are these a good choice?

I do mostly hip hop and down tempo.

Thanks......



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Message 2/19                 Date: 20-Oct-01  @  11:54 PM   -   RE: MONITORS?

milan

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use the archives in this forum, sellect "show last 365 days", and read about monitors untill you´re sick of it.

mackie´s have the baddest low end of anything below 2000GBP mark. heart-stopping, kitchen-utensil-shaking, radiator-rattling bass. and i´m not kidding, i get all of these effects in my room on a daily basis. 37Hz. nuff said.



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Message 3/19                 Date: 22-Oct-01  @  10:24 PM   -   RE: MONITORS?

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agreed.



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Message 4/19                 Date: 23-Oct-01  @  12:32 AM     Edit: 23-Oct-01  |  12:33 AM   -   RE: MONITORS?

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there's my main ones... nasty peices of work they are   vintage richard-allen paper drivers.. jubbly! - earth shaking bass! - just rebuilding right now...

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Message 5/19                 Date: 23-Oct-01  @  01:00 AM   -   RE: MONITORS?

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fuck me, not bad for a home stack, eh? What sort of amp are driving those buggers k?



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Message 6/19                 Date: 23-Oct-01  @  01:17 AM   -   RE: MONITORS?

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damn look at that mess! 



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Message 7/19                 Date: 23-Oct-01  @  05:42 PM   -   RE: MONITORS?

Brett B

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The HR824's have good low end but are hard to mix on if you are a novice. They make everything sound good. You should be mixing at low volume on tight speakers like yamaha ns-10's. If it sounds good on them it will translate to other systems. Get a sub woofer to do low end monotoring, but switch it off and do your mixing at low volume first to get the mix ballanced right. All the music should be clear and articulate at low levels on tight flat speakers. Big bottom speakers may color the mix and make your song sound to boomy or peak at the wrong freaquencies when played on systems that can't reproduce the signal the same. I use Roland DS90's. They are tight and have good low end, they are somewhere between the HR-24's and yamaha NS-10's in character. Tannoy, is also an option, but if you can afford it, get some Genelic near fields. Genelic makes the best flat responce near fields for the money, and Meyer makes some little mastering bookshelf speakers that are so tight and flat that they translate flawlessly. Let the mastering get the rest done for vinyl or cd finishing.



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Message 8/19                 Date: 23-Oct-01  @  05:52 PM   -   RE: MONITORS?

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ahem...

if you´re a novice to studio monitors, then ANY decent monitor is going to blow you away, whether Mackie or Genelic (sic)(lol). but if you a/b your mix with a finished track in the similar vein you´ll quickly see if your mix is there yet or not.

oh, and saying something is between Mackie´s and NS10´s, is like saying its somewhere between heaven and earth, well init?

genelic... thats nasty  



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Message 9/19                 Date: 23-Oct-01  @  05:57 PM   -   RE: MONITORS?

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genelecs are seen as 'over bright' in the uk though, ur right about subwoofers, maybe they give u a false sense of 'fullness' (i'm sure most people here (&me) care more about bottom end than any other frequency (ooh, how presumptious!)) but at the end of the day (all other cliches accepted) u can mix on any old box *as long as you know what your doing*, my next door neighbour mixed on those tiny jbls and grooverider&fabio still played his tune on radio1...



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Message 10/19                 Date: 23-Oct-01  @  07:23 PM   -   RE: MONITORS?

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what?.. the little control_1's ?.. they are ok but pretty sharp, you gotta get used to them like all nearfeilds, and actualy Tandy/Radio-Shack do a very similar speaker, in a little metal cabinet, same size as the Control_1 & a similar sound which make VERY good cheap nearfeilds, it's the one with like a perforated metal grill with round tiny holes drilled in the matel sheet covering the speakers. I think it comes inodised black or silver.



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Message 11/19                 Date: 23-Oct-01  @  07:25 PM   -   RE: MONITORS?

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i think more people should look at those Richard-Allen R8's cos selling direct they are well cheap, and very nice speakers for nearfeild.Also spare drivers are readily available.



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Message 12/19                 Date: 23-Oct-01  @  08:18 PM   -   RE: MONITORS?

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yup, those control 1's, and they'd blown the tweeter on one of them (do they have tweeters? maybe they only had 1 speaker!!!?)it really must be what your used to ...



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Message 13/19                 Date: 23-Oct-01  @  11:49 PM   -   RE: MONITORS?

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true ns-10's and HR-824's are very diferant, I was refering to the amount of low end coloration when i said my ds-90's were in the middle. They are warmer than ns-10's, but not so full and colored like the mackies. Don't dismiss the ns-10's. There is a reason they are found in so many studios being used as nearfeild for a/b'ing mixes. If You want your hip hop to sound good in the club, in the car, and on boom boxes, small nearfeilds will have to be used. If you want to do some bass under 60hz, use a subwoffer. Event makes a 3 piece system for under $600 that has two powered nearfeilds and a powered sub. Should work fine for what you are doing.



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Message 14/19                 Date: 24-Oct-01  @  04:13 AM   -   RE: MONITORS?

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These guys make REALLY nice speakers for not a lot of money. Also, see if you can find a used Bryston amp to power them, and you should be pretty stylin. Genelecs are nice, but they're REALLY expensive, as are dynaudio, but you get what you pay for. Hr824's adjusted properly are not overly colored or bass-heavy.

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Message 15/19                 Date: 24-Oct-01  @  12:55 PM   -   RE: MONITORS?

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they`re selling the genelec 1029s with matching sub for 700 quid now, I haven`t listened to the buggers but they must be worth a listen at that price if you`re in the market for monitors.

You really like those DS90s Brett? SOS gave them a right old slagging off and thats not usually like them to risk upsetting their advertisers quite so badly.



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Message 16/19                 Date: 24-Oct-01  @  05:00 PM   -   RE: MONITORS?

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didn't NS10's come with a sub-woofer.. i could have sworn there was an accompanying optional sub-box for them or am i dreaming?...

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I had an idea for a script once. It's basically Jaws except when the guys in the boat are going after Jaws, they look around and there's an even bigger Jaws. The guys have to team up with Jaws to get Bigger Jaws.... I call it... Big Jaws!!!



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Message 17/19                 Date: 24-Oct-01  @  05:01 PM   -   RE: MONITORS?

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prorec didn't like them either - http://www.prorec.com
has a shootout of powered monitors right now... liked the mackies
the best, liked the ds90s the least iirc. oriented towards recording engineers though (recording live instruments and vocals, not just synths)...



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Message 18/19                 Date: 24-Oct-01  @  06:01 PM   -   RE: MONITORS?

Brett B

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At the time I only had my Ds2416 card, and the spdif input sold me on the ds90's. My mixes went from hit and miss, to were i wnated them, so i am happy. The makcies were $300 more and didn't have digatali/o. I am happy. The ns-10's have a sub, but it's twice as much as a pair of ns-10's.

I know, that is why I mentioned the genelics. They have come down in price, so if it were a choice now, I would have just spent the extra cash and got the genelic nearfeilds and sub.



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Message 19/19                 Date: 24-Oct-01  @  07:14 PM   -   RE: MONITORS?

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K - I think you're thinking of the MSP-10s

There's a great review and shootout of nearfields at http://www.prorec.com (Sorry K)

Anyways, the most important thing about monitors is that you get to know them. It can be NS10s or HR824s or a 10k pair of whatevers, but you still have to kown your speakers in your room with your ears.

Both the Event 20/20s (I use these) and the HR824s are decent speakers. IMHO, the 20/20s are a little bit hard to accurately get a feel for how much bass is in your track. A lot of people suffer from muddy mixes using 20/20s. Again, though, that comes down to knowing your monitors and how they translate to the rest of the world's listening equipment.

Good luck!

-Craig
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