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Original Message 1/23                 Date: 05-Jun-00  @  07:29 PM   -   Acid lines

mathewam

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I need some help writing synth/basslines for acid trance/techno I'm not having any problems getting the sound I want its the patterns I'm having problems with
right now it's pretty much hit and miss I randomly step program my sequencer untill i hear somthing I like then tweak the slides accents fx etc. where i run into a problem is finding a complimentary line to go with it any tips on how to develop these patterns would be greatly apriciated. any help with getting good sounds would be nice I'm always open to new Ideas
my kit includes ensoniq asr-x yamaha cs1x and pc running cakewalk 5.0 thanx in advance
Andy



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Message 2/23                 Date: 07-Jun-00  @  05:57 PM   -   RE: Acid lines

andy

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no one loves me  



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Message 3/23                 Date: 07-Jun-00  @  07:27 PM   -   RE: Acid lines

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learn some chords and sequence some apreggio type thingys and you'll have instant acid basslines.

then just fiddle with velocity and gate time in different bars to give some variation(it works for me,but don't use it as a lead,just have it going low in the background)



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Message 4/23                 Date: 07-Jun-00  @  07:47 PM   -   RE: Acid lines

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Thanx !! any tips for leads ?



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Message 5/23                 Date: 13-Jun-00  @  09:48 AM   -   RE: Acid lines

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Arpeggiators suck.

You'll get acidlines with neither funk nor soul if you use them.

Also, a lot of *real* (not car commercial) acid lines use notes that are harmonically off... drop a 5th to a tritone, drop a 7th to a minor 7th but use the major 3rd etc.



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Message 6/23                 Date: 13-Jun-00  @  01:12 PM   -   RE: Acid lines

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Thanx Professor.No funk nor soul.True True.



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Message 7/23                 Date: 13-Jun-00  @  03:41 PM   -   RE: Acid lines

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seriously, someone please explain the acid thing... i know what you mean ModAsBlue, i've been listening to that shit for years, but my musical background keeps making all my lines sound like crap cause i just can't break out of key... the only solution so far is randomly change things out of "tune", but i'd really like to know stuff like what keys those guys (max reich et al) write in... i figured they just didn't know theory and therefore weren't hampered by fucking stupid-ass preconceived notions like i am...
and if any of you guys want to lay down a wicked acid tune, just try doing it in 3/4 time, or using 3-bar 4/4 patterns... stop being so damn predictable, keep it fresh... and who said lack of soul was a bad thing?



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Message 8/23                 Date: 13-Jun-00  @  06:37 PM   -   RE: Acid lines

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I've been programming electronic music for 14 yrs. and I've yet to find any use for any theory other than rhythm theory.You can't make something fresh if you have to think of all those damn rules.I'm not sure if you can unlearn it but you should just try to think random and go w/ the feel and not try to worry about what key it is in.Maybe you can't figure out what key someone is in because there is no key to describe it that goes along w/theory. It's not about time signatures,modes,scales,substitutions,and all that bullshit.It is about soul even if it is a cold dark sterile yet beautiful sort of soul.It's about the point at which your body and mind become one with the machine.It's also about LSD hence the name ACID.Even some of the best tracks in exsistence were created by accident,experimentation,and an idea.I think that the most amazing thing about electronic music is that it gives you the freedom to create something which is yours and yours alone.You create the sounds,the notes or lack of notes,and the theory to suit you.I mean you can use equipment that generates tones w/ voltage that have nothing in common w/ western scales or eastern for that matter.So you see if you try to analyze it you will always fail because there is no tried and true formula for you to follow.If it sounds and feels right it is.If you can't abandon your theory on a keyboard maybe you should try an alternate controller.You just shouldn't have learned all that piano crap to begin with.If you want to try to use scales,and weird time signatures you should make prog rock and not tekno.



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Message 9/23                 Date: 14-Jun-00  @  10:46 AM   -   RE: Acid lines

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point taken, i didn't really mean to learn anything, it just sort of happened... i've been thinking about going hardware-sequencer based, a small time keeper and modular analogue sequencers... no preconceived notions on a grid of knobs, but i haven't really got the cash yet (still trying to build up a decent set of sound sources)
i know what you mean, but at the same time it's not like i TRY to analyze shit, you just can't help hearing it (i guess you could plug your ears)... i mean on all those 303 lines, its frustrating that the intervals will just pop into my head cause i'd rather not know...
anyway i'd really like hearing from acid-heads, i still think it's some of the best shit there is, so far from crap like plain, old house...
and yes, i looooove lsd... it's been a year or two (sorta got scary), i wish there was still pure stuff around, now it's all fucking windex.



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Message 10/23                 Date: 14-Jun-00  @  01:14 PM   -   RE: Acid lines

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So youre all about piano and gun control huh?Unfortunately they don't inform you of this in YOUR TV INDUCED HAZE but if you go to www.drummachine.com you can purchase a MICROCON(no it's not a small criminal)and a CYCLODON sequencer for about $500 I THINK.Shit man I just went back and looked @ that lovely discussion we were having.Are you on a desert island or something I mean you like lsd and you are for our cops to be the only ones who are armed?????????ARE YOU FUCKING PSYCHO OR SOMETHING IN CASE YOU HAVEN'T HEARD WE ARE IN A DRUG WAR.For you to come down on either side of the argument is not right WE AMERICANS ARE FIGHTING FOR THE VERY RIGHT TO DEBATE THE DRUG WAR.THE PEOPLE ARE BEGINNING TO GET ANOTHER SIDE OF THE STORY BECAUSE OF THE INTERNET BUT IT"S ASSHOLES LIKE YOU WHO JUMP INTO THE ARGUMENT BASED ON FICTION NOT FACT.This is not a personal attack on you but just on people who don't even weigh all the evidence b4 a verdict.I WISH I COULD LEAVE BUT IF YOU RECALL I HAVE A WARRANT AND ACCORDING TO OUR PROTECTORS OF FREEDOM I HAVE GIVEN UP MY RIGHT TO A SPEEDY TRIAL.OUR PROBLEMS ARE MUCH MORE COMPLEX AS A SOCIETY AND ONLY THE PEOPLE CAN STOP IT.ON A DAILY BASIS OUR GOVT COMBATS US USING VIOLENCE AND LIES HOW ARE WE SUPPOSED TO BAKE A NEW CAKE IF THEY HAVE CONTROL OVER THE KITCHEN?As far as making music is concerned maybe you should think visually.I am NOT a violent american I just can't stand the fact that we have so many assholes trying to tell us what to do.I wish people would mind their own business.I KNOW I got a little on edge w/ you guys it was just a major letdown to see the same propaganda that spews forth from the media and politicians up on my favorite cyberhole.I just wish people would bother to question and investigate what others tell them.If you want to know why I am so concerned please look up the methamphetamine anti proliferation act of 1999 on US search engine areas and you will understand.They should have labeling laws for legislation.From what I have gathered this law is aimed at stopping people from telling each other how to grow weed and to STOP THE DRUG WAR DEBATE ONCE AND FOR ALL.It would make something as benign as putting a link to CANNABIS CULTURE OR HIGH TIMES MAGAZINE A FELONY THATS RIGHT A YOU LOSE YOUR RIGHT TO VOTE,ASSOCIATE WITH WHO YOU LIKE


cheers.



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Message 11/23                 Date: 14-Jun-00  @  02:09 PM   -   RE: Acid lines

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let me just start by saying i think it's hilarious that america has a "war on drugs" AND legal alcohol consumption... this to me is nothing if not a clear sign that the majority of americans are brainless, a classic american attitude -- self-righteousness paired with ignorant hypocrisy. when you don't educate your population, this is what happens... and i'm sure it's what a great many of the powers that be want to happen.

i'm not some idiot, i just think that fighting on ANY side of the "war" does nothing but give credibility to it, instead of exposing it as a pathetic sham.

and yeah, i was just looking at the technosaurus stuff a while ago (the cyclodon's actually what i meant by analogue sequencer, though there are some wicked-ass ones by TBS and analogue solutions... the latter are modulars though so it doesn't look like i'm affording that any time soon)... don't have the cash tho.

in case you didn't understand (i don't want to drag the whole thing into this thread either), i'm not pro-cop (or anti-cop -- you should really visit england and check out their police force... the thing is in the states, it's a different mentality, it's a more market-driven thing, so you get fucking asshole pigs, because if you're not rich you're not a person... that shit doesn't happen (as much) elsewhere because there's more of an infrastructure, a comunity, people treating other people like people. maybe you can't conceive of something like this actually existing, but it does. while you guys were busy trashing the communists, you didn't realize that being stridently anti-socialist also has anti-social repercussions -- when people aren't linked (through taxes or whatever) to each other, its much harder to get them to actually care about each other, cause they're in effect isolated. this is why you're so scared of your cops and need guns to "level" the playing field -- if you weren't all such fucking selfish, "our way is the right way" assholes, this never would have happened... you made your bed and now you're stuck in it.

the reason i have such a problem with it is, as a canadian, i see more and more of your frankly gross attitudes filter up here daily... here in toronto its cutbacks cutbacks cutbacks in terms of government, and we have to do this to compete with your economy because you guys are way more powerful. why? because your government doesn't care about anything but power. there's no community, no support -- it's like sweatshops, unethical and inhumane, but when considered only in terms of the market, very "efficient". then you can undercut your competitor's prices, cause they have much higher overhead costs -- after all, they're supporting the people that work for them, providing an infrastructure, which is expensive.
so to keep from being mexicanized by you fucking ignorant assholes, we have to keep adopting increasingly "american" policies... in ontario, the government's privatizing things left right and center, and as a result everything's going downhill, poverty and crime rises, while the rich get richer.

the solution is not to win any war, but to stop and realize that the problems you and i are encountering are inherent in the system. it's not like revolutions, etc. will ever happen, they don't even need to happen. the only thing necessary to overthrow the current balance of power in the states is education -- if you were all high school honour students, you wouldn't take any of the shit that gets fed to you. frankly i don't see this ever happening, considering you'd all rather just drink beer, get fat and fuck your lives away.



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Message 12/23                 Date: 14-Jun-00  @  03:20 PM   -   RE: Acid lines

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This is one way to forget how to play the piano.I agree with you here almost 100 percent AMERICA SUCKS AND THEY HAVE TRAPPED ME HERE I WANT TO LEAVE.HOWEVER BEING THAT THERE ARE 300 MILLION OF US AREN"T YOU GENARLIZING A BIT.Everybody here doesn't know each other and you have to have the in GOD(freedom of religion)WE TRUST $$$$$$$$$$ to get a quality unbiased(COMMUNISM IS EVIL,MUSLIMS ARE TERRORISTS)education.Much less an education in the arts that have something to do with forward thinking.I fell into the dirty trap our govt has laid for us to fall into (getting caught up in debate instead of coming together to form solutions).Heres a recent example maybe you heard about the so called Algerian Terrorists trying to smuggle explosives across the Canadian/US border BULLSHIT It was an excuse to militarize the border in an effort to stem the flow of high grade canadian bud.Just look at the crossing points(Blaine Wa. and Vermont)watch out for those Algerian Terrorists with lead lined hockey bags full of Blueberry.Mexicanized?sounds racist to me.Better to have a hard working Mexican than a lazey wife beating truck driving gun toting redneck building something.But they should get a competitive wage for it not pennies on the dollar.You think Americans want their jobs sourced out in other countries(fuck no)I don't wear Nike or any other brands that there is more evidence that there was slave labor involved.Americans in general do not listen to reason and I thought you were one of those bastards.I've been mugged and shot at enough to know guns can ruin your day.The guns are sort of like the old COLD WAR THINKING that if both sides can destroy each other nobody makes any sudden moves.Our government is too out of control to be allowed absolute power because they seem to always make laws that are to the benefit of CAPITALISM/PROFIT OVER PEOPLE.Many Americans are not as stupid as we are made out to be but you can't just let GANGSTERS/CAPITALISTS take over.With our history and the choices we have facing us this November it would be ill advised to identify oneself as a student of MARX.You and I both realize that this country is a ticking time bomb and I want out.I sort of have an opp. to move north it all just depends on how hard the CRMP are and the MINISTRY OF IMMIGRATION ARE ON PAPERWORK HELP ME ESCAPE PLEASE.If you have the med card and a birth reg. Is that enough? I realize CANADA is my only hope for freedom and peace of mind Knowing that i won't have to deal w/ these bastards that surround me everywhere I go.Help me and I'll show you all you wan't to know about tekno.



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Message 13/23                 Date: 14-Jun-00  @  03:21 PM   -   RE: Acid lines

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Srry f i msspld aniting im aterrible typissed



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Message 14/23                 Date: 14-Jun-00  @  03:51 PM   -   RE: Acid lines

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mexicanized referred to the "free trade" thing... you really think their economy would have collapsed without the help of big business?
seriously, no hard feelings, i'll smoke you a fat one if you make it up here... don't think i can really help you with that though, don't exactly have inside connectiont to the underground railroad or anything...
anyway, i think i've learnt enough in my few years of post-guitar electronic producition to know that nothing you could tell me beyond the very basics is gonna help me learn/progress, cause i need to find my own personal style, and when i do i know i'll be able to take it somewhere... well maybe hope's a better word.
p.s - yeah, everytime i see anything about your elections i just feel genuinely sad, because i really can't beleive those two morons are the only options available. it's frankly one of the more depressing thoughts to dwell on, cause is it ever gonna get better?



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Message 15/23                 Date: 14-Jun-00  @  04:39 PM   -   RE: Acid lines

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For me theres a lot more to acid lines than 303,when I think of acid lines(in my old style of music anyway)I think of a deep low bass gargling sound that sits really deeply into the track,that the listener becomes so accustomed to it that he/she doesen't even notice it after a while.The old 303 hardfloor style thing has defenitly had its day but used the in the right ways you can do some amazing tracks with it,just listen to that pump panel remix that features on the Blade soundtrack,its just an acid line and a 909 and its one of the most powerfull tunes i've ever heard(I know a lot of people are gonna disagree).Innovate don't immitate :+)=



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Message 16/23                 Date: 14-Jun-00  @  06:20 PM   -   RE: Acid lines

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i can get the paper work I just need to know what the average canadian keeps around for ID.For example every Amerikkkan usually has A birth certificate,a social security card and an ID or Drivers license.What forms are the normz?I hope you have no hard feelings toward me either,you see I'm a bit passionate about issues that sort of affect me in my everyday life.Also the standard arsenal for an acid exploration old skool style would be 909,303,202,&a 101 you could pretty much cover the basics w/ that.An 808 would be cooler than a 909 cause you could get funky and all electro and shit.At least these items would be my HOLY GRAIL.I personally use an all analog rig minus the samplers,mpc&my electribe EA-1
of course.The Acid talk is usually over in 303 chat.Let's keep the politrix off those threadz though 



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Message 17/23                 Date: 15-Jun-00  @  08:52 AM   -   RE: Acid lines

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i've got birth cert., drivers lic., soc.sec., and (welcome to canada) health card.
o/d, totally, i remember on this tune, um... fuck, i don't know, "acid wiss '1'" or something, DJ ____ (i forget, sorry), fairly lo-tek track, but there was just this amazing superlow pulsing... it could have been anything, just really deep and dark, with that slight hi-end bite that makes it noticable....
anyway, my kit right now is 3 12bits(w30, tx16w X2), a crap-ass 303 clone (the MAM/FAT one... not really good for 303, but still useful i guess.), a korg polysix, and SCI split-8... i'm not just doing acid (otherwise i would've probably tried for something x0x), but i was wondering if anyone had tips, just in terms of patch programming and stuff... i'm not a beginner or anything, and i sort of know what i'm doing in other styles, but acid is something i've always loved but been too scared of to try (all my attempts thus far have lacked the driving-urgent necessity, darkness too...)

anyway thanks



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Message 18/23                 Date: 28-Jun-00  @  02:49 PM   -   RE: Acid lines

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... just take rebirth, hit 'randomize pattern', until you hear something you like and start from there  



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Message 19/23                 Date: 29-Jun-00  @  07:46 PM   -   RE: Acid lines

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wow ......just wanted some help with acid patterns and I sparked off a riot.....But it is an interseting one I think H hit the nail on the head $$$$$$$ God money bow to the almighty dollar I'll suck it good then bend over and take it in the rear .....just as long as I'm well paid for it.......I pledge alligance to the dollar of the untid states of america and to the greed for which it stands one nation under hate with stock options and predujice for all Amen. the only reason pot is illegal is because the alcohol companys (anhiser bush etc.) line the pockets of our politicians if weed was legal they would loose millions
ciggaretts are leaga for the same reason It's alright that I've been hooked on the cancer sticks since I was 14 but god forbid I smoke a doobie in the privacy of my own home. I haven't smoked in 2 months because I have a random drug test at work sometime in the next 2 months. It makes me sick I could write a friggen book about the bullshit the us govt. feeds us.......Oh and by the way it's just not as much fun making music with out the green stuff......I liked to come home after work smoke a joint and bang on the keyboard......I am a bad criminal I know a very bad man a menace to socioty I should be out and the bar in my flannel shirt rocking out to country and western drinking myself stupid swerving my way home to beat my wife (if I don't kill someone on the way) God bless America
peace to y'all
By the way Iv'e ended up with some good acid lines by plugging my drum patterns into synth parts



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Message 20/23                 Date: 30-Jun-00  @  11:15 PM   -   RE: Acid lines

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I see you love your uncle sammy about as much as me.How
bout that billion to Columbia for them helicopterz they
need to smuggle whoops I mean stop that cocaine and we
gotta keep that there communism from spreadin nort



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Message 21/23                 Date: 01-Jul-00  @  09:47 PM   -   RE: Acid lines

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Thats our money too dude Thats what pisses me off Uncle sam could drink gasoline and piss on a bonfire for all I care but what pisses me off is he uses my hard earned money to do it.....I pay more for taxes than my car payment and rent combined it makes me sick our elections are a joke our politicians are crooks.We got it better than most but our wealth and prosperity as a country in built on corruption and sin. That foundation can't hold up but right now we are all so fat and happy that we don't want to rock the boat. tick tick tick tick tick tick ..................



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Message 22/23                 Date: 01-Jul-00  @  11:09 PM   -   RE: Acid lines

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I wanna bore a hole in the stern and throw the flare gun into the deep.I can't wait for total anarchy I'M PREPARED.



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Message 23/23                 Date: 02-Jul-00  @  11:22 AM   -   RE: Acid lines

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At least you don't have a monarchy...

Papa Garcia (London)



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