Original Message 1/10                 Date: 30-Jan-00  @  12:21 PM   -   hip hop drum create

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as a former techno comoser, i'm trying to switch to hip hop cos tehcno become so boring..
i was wondering if anyone knows links where to fing tutorials to understand hip hop groove construction or anyone so kind to explain it in this forum with exemples.. thanks

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Message 2/10                 Date: 30-Jan-00  @  11:04 PM   -   RE: hip hop drum create

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get a drum set...learn to play for real...then your programming will be quite good

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Message 3/10                 Date: 31-Jan-00  @  05:27 AM   -   RE: hip hop drum create

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Your best bet is to listen to the original tracks that
are being sampled on a regular basis by the hip hop artists. ie. James Brown, Parliament/Funkadelic, etc etc. and then try and recreate them in your sequencer. Or you could use something like Hammmerhead which has some quite good built-in grooves.
The main thing is to keep an open mind to what you use.
Hip Hop uses everything from 606/909 patterns to sampled funk grooves to rock beats for its rhythmic backbone. Its how the groove is applied and the tempo it's used at. Other than an average tempo between 70-90 bpm it's pretty much wide open.

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Message 4/10                 Date: 31-Jan-00  @  05:53 AM   -   RE: hip hop drum create

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agree.. but i heard about some kinds of constructions like 3.3.3.2.2 beat or somethings.. any ideas?

but more than the drum beat, the most important part for me is what can be call the "ambient" part of hip hop.. the synth part in fact.. any rules or ideas ?

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Message 5/10                 Date: 31-Jan-00  @  01:21 PM   -   RE: hip hop drum create

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The cliche hip hop bassound is a pitched down 808 following the kik. If u aint got rebirth or whatever DL an 808 kik from one of the numerous resources on the web, pitch it down and have a play. Incidentally, I`ve found that a deep piano note, pitched down slightly and treated to a lopass filter gives a wonderfully warm basstone 4 hip hop - give it a try, hip hops all about the sampler, synths aint so important

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Message 6/10                 Date: 01-Feb-00  @  05:08 AM   -   RE: hip hop drum create

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it's a basic hiphop beats. the key is 8th beat. you can set it to kick or snare. 75-100 bpm.

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Message 7/10                 Date: 14-Feb-00  @  09:52 PM   -   RE: hip hop drum create

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nah way with hammerhead, getting good grooves requires real control over velocity and note placement - it cant be too 'square'

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Message 8/10                 Date: 25-Feb-00  @  12:09 PM   -   RE: hip hop drum create

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Hip Hop beats are bit like house beats in that shuffeling/swinging the hell out of it is sometimes the key to getting the sound you want.

This doesnt apply to the new york new school hip hop beats (smx/master-P) I think the formula for their beats goes something like this.

1) get an 808
2) if you have any talent, set it aside
3) put down the snares somwhere close to where they need to go.
4) slam down a bunch of hihats just anywhere.
5) slam down a bunch of kiks/snares just anywhere.

now, make sure to use a constant velocity of 128 on EVERYTHING, so as to remove as much rythem as possible.

ta-dah

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Message 9/10                 Date: 25-Feb-00  @  05:34 PM   -   RE: hip hop drum create

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i'd agree about the newer commercial stuff...but i've recently been suprised to find that some of it, usually more on the r&b side, actually has some really interesting drum programming in it, almost sounds like d&b at times...but what's neat is that i've heard a lot of actual drum programming and not just loops...damn, wish i knew track names...the commercial hip-hop station i listen to never gives track ids...but that one song that goes "say my name, say my name..." has a great well programmed rythm to it..love it...peace

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Message 10/10                 Date: 27-Feb-00  @  12:16 PM   -   RE: hip hop drum create

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If you want some good stuff, get your hands on stuff engineered by Hank Shocklee (Public Enemy), or King Shameek (King Sun, Twin Hype), or Rakim's stuff (can't remember his name), and just study it note for note. A lot of that is an sp12 or a studio 440. Also, you could check out Mantronix if you're in the process of crossing over. Work out your own formula. Good luck.
Ape

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