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Original Message 1/33 Date: 14-Dec-99 @ 03:12 PM - House And Garage Patterns

scottr

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I'm intrested in learning how to get a good garage sound, if anyone has any patterns they would be of great help. thanks.

cali

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Message 2/33 Date: 14-Dec-99 @ 10:00 PM - RE: House And Garage Patterns

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yeah i'm up for that - i'd like to get into some garage - anyone doing garage at all... i want to start working with vocals again in some form, and i reckon that'd do nicely...

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Message 3/33 Date: 15-Dec-99 @ 02:36 AM - RE: House And Garage Patterns

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Being an amateur, I am also constantly looking for that right, swinging garage feel. Thing is, styles change quickly in dance so the next sound could be in your head waiting to get out! Last few years of garage has been speed-garage with a faster and harder feel with loads of sampled bits. Now it seems British garage is going more towards the feel of EBTG, based more on songs. A few tips I can offer:

If you have a song, use it. Isolate the vocals and substitute original music with some jazzy chords. Maybe switch between minor and major chords. Can't explain it better musically (told I was an amateur!). Try filtering and EQing chords heavily.

When making your loop, layer the bassdrum with another bassdrum. Gives that funky, bouncy feel. Also try layering the snare.

Create a hi-hat pattern. Then give it some hi-pass and chop it up completely. And I mean totally tear it apart and drag and drop the pieces in random places untill it starts swinging. EQ the hi-hats differently.

I hope this will help a bit.

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Message 4/33 Date: 15-Dec-99 @ 02:16 PM - RE: House And Garage Patterns

sage

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i have heard of garage before, but i am not sure if i have heard any. i would realy like to hear some, cause i don't know what it is. can someone please show me the light
and krisgot, what is meant by "chop it up completely." could you explain what that means, tell me how it is done?
peace

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Message 5/33 Date: 15-Dec-99 @ 06:24 PM - RE: House And Garage Patterns

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Garage, you say...check out "shizm.com". All the Garage you could ever want, and then some.....

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Message 6/33 Date: 16-Dec-99 @ 01:31 AM - RE: House And Garage Patterns

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EEAAAIIIICK!!!!

That Shizm.com stuff is like the worst house music I've ever heard in my life!!! If that were the only house I'd ever heard, I'd think that all that Dance shit on top 40 radio is house, THAT'S how close that Shizm shit comes.

That stuff is practically DANCE music! Like that Cher song or something!!!

Underground, yo. Fuck THAT noise!

Just because you sample an African chant doesn't mean your track has soul. The beats have to have soul too...

I could sample an episode of Roseanne but it wouldn't give me phat beats...

ICK ICK ICK BAD BAD HOUSE MUSIC!!!

I'm sorry. I just can't stop.
I'm glad I live in the Midwest sometimes.
Detroit.
Chicago.

Fuck Boston if they play that shyte.

(Listed is a reproduction of the track I heard. Well...expand the idea to 4 measures. Add cliched bass progression. The sampled chant is 2 measures long)

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Message 7/33 Date: 16-Dec-99 @ 08:36 AM - RE: House And Garage Patterns

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hmm... well, i wouldn't go that far, its classic old-skool house.. you like it or you don't... but that aint garage - logic audio is a great prog fro garage, cos it has the grooves built in to it's quantise section

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Message 8/33 Date: 16-Dec-99 @ 08:44 AM - RE: House And Garage Patterns

krisgot

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Mod........ easy..... calm....... breathe... come on..... breathe in........ breathe out.......... eaaasy..... There now, John was just trying to help. Didn't hear all the mixes in there. OK so maybe the variety isn't so great, but, hey, Frankie Knuckels was there. You gotta respect that.

What is garage?....hm..... one of these many evolving hybrids in dance music, that makes it so difficult to pinpoint. Here today, gone tomorrow. Garage was big in the US in the early 90's. Remember Kym Sims, Ce Ce Penniston and Robin S? I know, Mod, I know. That was commercial garage. Later Nightcrawlers and Basement Jaxx in the UK.

In terms of underground garage I've always found it very similar to deep house. Soulful vocals, jazzy chords, deep bass and often a raw, dark feel. For quality house music, one must, MUST, check out labels: Deepdish and Yoshitoshi, especially Penetrate Deeper, a classic. Also Twisted Records. Check out the compilations. And then there are the countless new artists on white labels and smaller labels. For the website the best I can do is satelliterecords.com and House in the listening booth. Go get'em!

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Message 9/33 Date: 16-Dec-99 @ 08:58 AM - RE: House And Garage Patterns

krisgot

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k, you're probably right... logic is best. I use Cakewalk 9, and it may be more timeconsuming but fun too. When I say cut up the hi-hat, I mean sample a normal pattern from midi, like the one Mod showed you. Then edit sections of it in the audio editor and drag and drop snippets within the loop. Copy and paste small bits and make new bits. EQ them differently. See what happens to you cat and call me in the morning.

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Message 10/33 Date: 16-Dec-99 @ 12:10 PM - RE: House And Garage Patterns

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Forgive me if you know all this already...

I've got a friend who does underground (i.e. speed) garage remixes of people like Destiny's Child for Columbia. He tends to go for a flat 4/4 kick/snare beat and leave all the skittery beats to other noises over the top. A phat 909 kick is a good way to go, also grab some Emu SP-12 samples from the net for some tuff punchy-crunchy drum noises (or even try and buy one... ha ha

I take it you know the technique of not having every drum noise within the loop exactly on the beat (or 16th beat or whatever)? By moving certain sounds a *tiny* amount forward or back in your sequencer you can get that bouncy 'swing' that you talk about, even though things still sound tight. (Try moving kicks and snares and/or any other bits of percussion in your pattern and experiment to get that groove).

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Message 11/33 Date: 16-Dec-99 @ 02:04 PM - RE: House And Garage Patterns

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K

Yeah, I know...but I was tired and cranky. It's just that I've been listening to a few REALLY GOOD mixtapes that I picked of from a few parties.

This Chicago DJ - (Traxx) - spins this bomb-ass shit...it's what I would call garage/rare groove type shit. It's all piano/bass/lyric based and its got these women who can fucking sing. A year ago I would have abhorred that shit but...

I think his shit is heavily sampled based from this whole world of "old school disco/funk" of which I am totally too young to understand. I think that they are sampled because it just sounds a lot less clean than the stuff on that web site, which is good to me..it adds a lo-budget credibility factor.

Anyway...

Danielski...

Yeah, you gotta throw things off a little if you want real house. Using triplets also adds authenticity (not playing all three, but say, moving the last 16th note of each beat to the3rd triplet right after it - on 96 ppq it's clock 80 instead of 72).

But, I usually just go with computer accuracy and make death-disco (<-that's supposed to be funny...umm..I guess)

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Message 12/33 Date: 16-Dec-99 @ 02:04 PM - RE: House And Garage Patterns

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Message 13/33 Date: 27-Dec-99 @ 01:22 AM - RE: House And Garage Patterns

ATARI315

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HEY JOHN, THANKS FOR THE LINK. AND FOR ALL OF YOU THAT HAD NEGATIVITY ON YOUR MINDS WHEN YOU CHECKED THAT SITE OF HISTORICAL HOUSE, (DEAD UP...IM SERIOUS), YOU GOTTA KNOW WHERE YOU CAME FROM IN ORDER TO KNOW WHERE YOURE GOING. THATS THE UNDERGROUND SHIT, NOT THE TWEAKY GUIDO GARBAGE SOME OF YOU LIKE TO CALL HOUSE.

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Message 14/33 Date: 14-Jan-00 @ 10:42 PM - RE: House And Garage Patterns

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Hrmm... maybe it's just because I've never really heard any proper garage, but, those posted drums look preeety much like your everday, garden variety house music, the chant might make it drawing-room, but I was under the impression that there was something different about garage...

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Message 15/33 Date: 15-Jan-00 @ 12:31 AM - RE: House And Garage Patterns

jojo the dog faced boy

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I too have never really heard garage , or if i had heard it, never known what it was ( probbly assuming it was yet another UK house phenomenon, which i don't really care about ) , so...

What does it sound like ?

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Message 16/33 Date: 21-Jan-00 @ 09:06 PM - RE: House And Garage Patterns

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Can anyone post a 2 step garage pattern (midi)?

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Message 17/33 Date: 22-Jan-00 @ 01:12 PM - RE: House And Garage Patterns

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soon come i'm gonna post a load of them soon...

but for our US cousins lets just clarify here .... we are talking about UK Garage - what was called Speed-garage when it first appeared... It's a London thing.. heh heh.. has anyone gone out on the M4 motorway, when you approach london, there is a sign saying.. "London", (surprise) and someones sprayed 'THING' under it..., but now in the uk people just say 'garage', and they dropped the 'speed' bit... it's NOTHING like house at all... well, there are relationships, but the drum structure is totally different, here are various varieties and feels, and it has a swing, it can incorporate jungle type licks etc in the beats on some variations, also heavey turntablist work in live sets... to me it is the most interesting drum programing out there at the moment along with some of the dancehall crossovers... some of the programming is fierce -

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Message 18/33 Date: 24-Jan-00 @ 11:51 AM - RE: House And Garage Patterns

scottr

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Word, I'd just like to thank the people out there, ESP "k" for their help, sometimes i'll start a converstaion here and get nothing but garbage from idiots who know nothing about producing except how to put it down, however every so often i see another serious producer w/ their head in the right place helping out, thanks alot and im totally looking foward to seeing some new licks (i'll also be posting my new patterns one the new 2x12" is out)

peace

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Message 19/33 Date: 27-Feb-00 @ 11:56 PM - RE: House And Garage Patterns

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Yes, this is great a speed garage thread. I love Garage, but I have never tried making, there is something about thous beats that intimidate me. But i would love to see some more grids. please kilo!!!

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Message 20/33 Date: 28-Feb-00 @ 02:09 AM - RE: House And Garage Patterns

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you cant do it on thiose grids cos there is no ability to push notes of-beat... i'll have to post some file.. but my machine finally fell over after nearly 4 faithful years of service.. i'm typing this on an NT server! - you'll have to wait.. look why doesnt someone tape a few bars of a beat off the FM radio in lo-fi, convert it to RA audio at 28.8-mono (NOT a .rm file) then start a restricted forum over on the main chatroom, and you can add a file.. just add the ra file, and iut should auto-create a ramfile & link...

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Message 21/33 Date: 14-Mar-00 @ 04:45 PM - RE: House And Garage Patterns

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I am a bass player who has played in a lot of gigging bands playing anything from rock to soul. But bands can be a pain, too many egos. So I setup a small studio in my spare room where I could get creative on my own (peace) I have so many influences that I driffted aimlessly then I heard a garage track that blew me away, it had so much feel. It was creative and well produced. So if there are any tips for producing garage I would be very grateful. My setup includes:
EMU esi4000 sampler
Yamaha cs1x synth
Yamaha SW1000 sound card
Alesis nano bass
Spirit folio sx mixer
spirit absolute 2 monitors (kicking)

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Message 22/33 Date: 15-Mar-00 @ 10:38 PM - RE: House And Garage Patterns

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This whole garage thing kind of eludes me as well...

I'm an "A-mare-ih-can" (mocking my northern inland Detroit dialect for all you English blokes!) and the garage on that web site would be called "top 40 dance" around here. I wouldn't really call that stuff the "root of house" as that would be Chicago, three hours west of my front door. That stuff is very shiny...

It must be a London thing. Like dead hookers on Michigan Avenue is a Detroit thing.

(or booty...do you guys know DJ ASSAULT? Ass and Titties anyone? heh...)
But mucho respect to the English...we just have different house sensibilities.

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Message 23/33 Date: 21-Mar-00 @ 01:28 AM - RE: House And Garage Patterns

jojo the dog faced boy

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From all my expierence , it's trance , funky house and industrial break beat where i 'live which is nice , but i still don't know what garage really sounds like .

who is a Major artist in garage (maybe i have heard something from 'em)

it seems to me like a house/drum and bass hybrid, by using the stardard 4/4 bastard son of disco kiks , with the cut up crazyness of jungle. Or i could have it all wrong

I heard it described as the resolution between opposite factors in music (i.e mechanical vs human timing, artifical vs real, complex vs clean,using most of the feelings of most elctronica and acoustic music)

But i have never really heard it .

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Message 24/33 Date: 21-Mar-00 @ 05:48 PM - RE: House And Garage Patterns

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If you want to hear some comercial sounding UK garage go to www.audiofind.com and download an mp3 file by Artful Dodger it's called rewind. It was in the charts here in the UK for a while. Check it out..

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Message 25/33 Date: 21-Mar-00 @ 06:53 PM - RE: House And Garage Patterns

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the other thing is... with Garage, most of the beats are the same... there is not alot of variation, but really all the beats are pretty much the same - the variation is in the rest of the track whilst mostly (without any DJ turntablist activity) the beats remain constant... certainly in most commercial realeases anyways... but what IS equally important is the sounds, Garage has like a set drum sound, the best way to describe it is to look at it's origin.. loops played speeded up... so mostly you can generalise and say that Garage uses drum sounds that sound like they are played speeded up ALOT... hi-pitched kik & snare drums is the order of the day, little 'popping' snares that sound almost like tin pots... check it out, having the grooves without the actual sounds doesn't sound right... you gotta get the sounds too into your sampler... and there's a special prize for the first to spot the garage rip-off groove of 'Boogie-Wonderland'.. ha ha

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Message 26/33 Date: 21-Mar-00 @ 07:06 PM - RE: House And Garage Patterns

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rewind - artful dodger is 2 - step garage which is completely different from regular garage

not trying to be picky but just thought id inform the americans.

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Message 27/33 Date: 21-Mar-00 @ 08:15 PM - RE: House And Garage Patterns

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shit.. is that riff boogie-wonderland or what!! - perhaps i was generalising a bit, but.... youknowwhat i mean about the drum parts... variations are there, but in essence, it's the swing with the 'gap'...

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Message 28/33 Date: 21-Mar-00 @ 08:18 PM - RE: House And Garage Patterns

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anyways, it is interestingto see that within a month all the 'Trance' comp' ad's are being replaced by 'Garage' comp's on the TV -

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Message 29/33 Date: 27-Mar-00 @ 08:38 AM - RE: House And Garage Patterns

duh?

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I parked my car in a garage.

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Message 30/33 Date: 27-Mar-00 @ 10:00 AM - RE: House And Garage Patterns

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yeah.. well i'm working on a new style.. it's called SHED

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Message 31/33 Date: 28-Mar-00 @ 05:10 AM - RE: House And Garage Patterns

Jojo the dog faced boy

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and now fresh out of mainland germany
it's (name band), the hottest new Cuboard& Shed producers in the world.

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Message 32/33 Date: 28-Mar-00 @ 06:06 AM - RE: House And Garage Patterns

Jasper

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k - my new approach will hit the streets before shed, 'bog tech' you heard it here first.

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Message 33/33 Date: 28-Mar-00 @ 06:51 AM - RE: House And Garage Patterns

duh?

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The shed's where we keep the rolly bin.

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