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Original Message 1/26                 Date: 18-Nov-99  @  06:38 PM   -   electro

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fans of electro, anyone?

it's all in the beat... (with a few cheesy melodies here and there...)

right?



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Message 2/26                 Date: 18-Nov-99  @  06:56 PM   -   RE: electro

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arghhhhhh!!! - i bloody hate elctro !! :-) - have you heard that quasimidi sirius demo?.. (think it was sirius) heh heh - it's almost 'The Message' - real Kraftwerk-ee stuff vocoder the lot ! - heh heh - really it can do it!...

ha ha - hey checkit ! - im just seeing Apollo 440 doing this awesome thing with a status-quo 'Caroline' intro loop - fucking superb mate !! ha ha heheheheh - it's just come on the tv ... heh heh - the riff cames in and the guy starts doing the old grebo's/bikers dance thing.. y'know that dance the grebo's always used to do in the 'bikers' pub/disco - y'know the one - heh heh - brilliant!



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Message 3/26                 Date: 19-Nov-99  @  12:35 AM   -   RE: electro

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Electro is the shit. All else springs from it. That and old Chicago house, nowadays anyway. UR, Drexciya, slobbolz, interference,... the list goes on. I still love four on the floor, but it pales next to the electronic funk born of Detroit. Electroheds unite!!

Ape

Try that groove, with a little delay on snare and kick. BIG Kick!



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Message 4/26                 Date: 19-Nov-99  @  05:32 AM   -   RE: electro

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symmetrical beat...sounds good with analogish sounds

Can't beat it...whether it's pop-electro like Madonna's "Get Into the Groove" or some of the latest intelligent electro like the stuff off of SCSI...it's all good. People try to deny...they try to deny that they like Shannon's "Let the Music Play" or early Ice-T...but once it starts, once the claps and the gated snares and dx7's take over, there's no turning back...
Love it or hate it, there's no middle ground.

Your stuff is pretty tight Pongoid...ever going to perform near DC?



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Message 5/26                 Date: 19-Nov-99  @  01:07 PM   -   RE: electro

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true - tell you what tho, i'll post up that quasimidi Sirius demo in Real-audio tonight - and you can check it out - it can really do it !! - ... i just didnt like elektro when it started to get a bit intellectual with all the tapping clicky 707 kik style riffs and stuff, when it's thumping it's ok



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Message 6/26                 Date: 20-Nov-99  @  06:01 PM   -   RE: electro

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tapping clicky...like Newcleus? "Push the button"? So you like electro with a bit more bottom end? I must admit that really wipes out a large portion of electro, because i've heard so much that barely has punch...sounds like compressed analog kiks or something that takes away the oomph in the kik tail... I guess i'm kinda into that though...gives everything a very robotic feel.

Hey pongoid, what do you use to flange your drums?...some of the flange in the Retardalator demos had a very intense bendy quality--i liked the effect.

Have either of you used FM synthesis for drums, or do you know anyone that does? I keep scratching my chin about whether a TX81z could be reasonably used as a drum machine; i guess i'm mainly concerned about the its multi-timbral specs.

Yeah...i know MANY djs that HATE electro...it's like they don't even think it's a valid form of dance music... Love it or Hate it--no middle ground



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Message 7/26                 Date: 20-Nov-99  @  06:01 PM   -   RE: electro

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tapping clicky...like Newcleus? "Push the button"? So you like electro with a bit more bottom end? I must admit that really wipes out a large portion of electro, because i've heard so much that barely has punch...sounds like compressed analog kiks or something that takes away the oomph in the kik tail... I guess i'm kinda into that though...gives everything a very robotic feel.

Hey pongoid, what do you use to flange your drums?...some of the flange in the Retardalator demos had a very intense bendy quality--i liked the effect.

Have either of you used FM synthesis for drums, or do you know anyone that does? I keep scratching my chin about whether a TX81z could be reasonably used as a drum machine; i guess i'm mainly concerned about the its multi-timbral specs.

Yeah...i know MANY djs that HATE electro...it's like they don't even think it's a valid form of dance music... Love it or Hate it--no middle ground



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Message 8/26                 Date: 25-Nov-99  @  05:11 PM   -   RE: electro

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My partner uses a tx81z quite a bit. It can do cool stuff. That sound you refer to was the phaser on my EPS16+. Glad you liked the demo. The disc souns so much better. Not to just plug my shit, but to deliver the message properly. My partner's even badder than I am when it comes to electro. Don't know when I'll be near DC. Probably not too soon, unless someone wants to fly us out when we get back stateside. Admittedly, I like more deep sounds, but I still appreciate a lot of those pop-ectro tracks just for the composition value, and the fact that they were exploring a medium. Even Madonna's "Open your Heart" was dope for it's exploration. Don't know who produced it. Strange that electro and hiphop were so close, now so far apart. Sad. With we could all git down, you know?

Ape



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Message 9/26                 Date: 09-Dec-99  @  05:15 AM   -   RE: electro

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you see? DO YOU SEE? People hate electro! Electro is crappy music, really ... don't listen to it or you will pathetically try to find old breakdance films that are usually next to impossible to get, and you will greatly covet your friend's old records ... If any of you have the soundtrack to Breakin' I or II then DON'T TELL ME, because I will hunt you down, steal your records and spray-paint stupid puffy tags on your local supermarket or bridge or trainstation or whatever. Or I will have people or robots do this for me.

Skinny Puppy's "Who's Laughing Now" was supposed to play in the previews for BAD INFLUENCE ... just thought I'd mention that because no one will read this crappy thread about utterly crappy music...



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Message 10/26                 Date: 09-Dec-99  @  09:33 AM   -   RE: electro

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Wow funkbot, that beat is stompy  

Electro sucks? maybe..i really like one elctro
breaks track i have, but then, i try to like any things
called Indica



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Message 11/26                 Date: 09-Dec-99  @  04:02 PM   -   RE: electro

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Funkbot - calm down, if u don`t like the music, then just stay out of it.


























That too difficult?



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Message 12/26                 Date: 10-Dec-99  @  06:09 PM   -   RE: electro

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...and I was at this funky restaurant in houston just eating my french fries when all of a sudden i hear this poppin' beat and really perky new-order sounding synth lines...a little bit of dx7 presets too...

i quickly run up to the cashier and ask the guy next to the store's cd player, "What the hell is that? That's awesome..." And I'm dancing around, dropping a few body locks. The guy gives me this really nervous look. He says,

"I don't know what it is...it's a satellite transmission..."

And, while still dancing, I'm like, "what? satellite?what are you talking about?"

His reply:

"It's just muzak."

Maybe I should just stay in my own little world.



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Message 13/26                 Date: 11-Dec-99  @  09:57 AM   -   RE: electro

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funkbot, i am from houston too, and i never heard of any satellite music coming in, but if you find out please tell me! peace sage



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Message 14/26                 Date: 11-Dec-99  @  08:13 PM   -   RE: electro

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i dunno if this "muzak" was really transferred via satellite, but i heard it at barnabys cafe ... which ordinarily plays disco and funk, etc. my waiter-with-an-attidude was the one to set me straight about my nerdiness...dancing to muzak and all

you know you are really out of touch when you start poppin and lockin to breakdance...let's just say i got issues...

so, sage are you going to go to the "bring da noize" party? they're going to have luke slater, green velvet!!!! aaaaaahhhh eeeeeekkkkkk malfunnnncccction

just about to say...i really don't think electro and hip hop have ever strayed from one another...very similar philosophy in both musics throughout history...attitude is a critical component in both, yes? and the robots theme hasn't died yet...

and puff daddy outright copies cybotron's PAC-JAM in one of his latest videos, where he does some crappy breakdancing...you know what i'm talking about...

the cybotron original is a bit better...



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Message 15/26                 Date: 12-Dec-99  @  11:29 PM   -   RE: electro

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what's with the whole robot thing anyway



oktoday



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Message 16/26                 Date: 14-Dec-99  @  08:49 PM   -   RE: electro

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can't explain the robot thing, really... it's a "feeling"... you have to watch LIQUID SKY and MANNEQUIN simultaneously...



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Message 17/26                 Date: 16-Dec-99  @  08:43 PM   -   RE: electro

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or listen to kool keith rap about "mechanical legs, mechanical legs"



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Message 18/26                 Date: 18-Dec-99  @  05:18 PM   -   RE: electro

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go to idrive.com . login as 'The_Dong' . pw is 'hung' . download 'The Mutant Funk' . Tell me what you think about another evolution in electro.

Peace.

Ape



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Message 19/26                 Date: 28-Dec-99  @  12:04 AM   -   RE: electro

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rad! very neon pink and electric blue.



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Message 20/26                 Date: 20-Feb-00  @  02:24 PM   -   RE: electro

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The thing I find curious is that electro has come to have two different meanings...people associate it with Kraftwerk and even the more "robotik" sounding 80's hits, but at the same time it is applied to a lot of more powerful european electro-industrial. It is funny to note that a lot of old elektro lacks bass...I guess because when the innovaters like Kvaftverk started doing it, they had ghey little analog drum machines to work with, Roland hadn't even started the TR Series, no?

br0d



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Message 21/26                 Date: 20-Feb-00  @  11:02 PM   -   RE: electro

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Some old electro lacks bass, but some has it absolutely kickin, like Hashim's Al Nafyeesh. That's old electro and it thumps!! But yes, electro predated the tr series, but definately grew because of it.

Ape



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Message 22/26                 Date: 25-Feb-00  @  12:23 PM   -   RE: electro

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vocoders



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Message 23/26                 Date: 27-Feb-00  @  01:59 AM   -   RE: electro

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i always thought the "linn drum" was the electro classic ... is this true?
i think the linn drum defined the rough, early janet jackson sound ... like "i'm in control"...
but i really have no fuckin' idea.
check the link. i'd like to think that "reeelyphatty" is electro... erm... give me your opinions pongoid, you're the electro-master around these parts...



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Message 24/26                 Date: 27-Feb-00  @  12:08 PM   -   RE: electro

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I don't think I would call that electro, as much as well done experimental breaks. It's well done, and the idea is good for ponderance, but one of the spirits of electro is a solid drive. Mike Banks explained it me something like this: 'You have to have it pumpin, and it's got to be loaded with bass because wmen are sensitive to that. See, if you got bass groovin and the rythm movin, the booty will follow, then the fellas. It's about gettin a hard funky groove pumpin to get the ladies on the dance floor, cuz if they're there, then the fellas will be too, and they'll be too busy to be fightin amongst one another.' I'm not sure if that was the exact quote, but that's exactly what it amounted to. Detroit Electro and Tekno came about as the next evolution of hiphop, trying to put something new out there, that the commercial mainstream didn't have and didn't realize that it should have. The idea was to get people together in the ghettos of Detroit, which I assure you are some of the roughest in the world I have ever seen, and give them a sonic identity, and a spiritual unity stemming from that identity. It brought some peace and self-respect to the people of that region, giving them hope. I don't know if you'ever been to Detroit, but that place needs hope. Life is hard there. It's a real war zone in some parts, even today. It's as bad as Gary, Indiana. Not a place to fuck around in. Anyhow, it's capturing that driving funk, without too much abstraction, but more raw drive. I mean, you can see it in their cars. It ain't Mercedes town, it's Motown. People still drag race on the streets there with muscle cars that would blow you away, You ought to see Mike's car. Thier like that there, and that raw, funky muscle/drive/power is what is reflected in that music.

With regards to the Linn Drum, that was an expensive unit that the rich studio guys like Harold Faltermeyer, and his ilk were using. I guess if you want to call those guys the progenitors of electro, them and Kraftwerk, maybe Can, and those types, sure, but guys like Mike and Jaun couldn't afford that stuff. That's why later they'd get 808s and 909s out of pawnshops, and cz101s and dx100s. The Oberheim dmx was another real influential box, and the drumulator, even that little Pearl drumbox, and a 606. They still swear by that shit.
A lot of those sounds in Reelphatty are square wave modulations applied to sines, like a modulated filter in self oscillation. I can get a lot of those types of noises out of my mini (a piece that Detroit couldn't afford at first), but I think you could that out of a dx100 as well if you tried. That makes it slick, and electro'esque, but the groove is an off-kilter thing with really nice triplet rolls, and beautiful syncopation, but lacking the straight ahead drive of true electro. You know, that stuff that makes you want to get up and robo-boogie. Reelphatty is more thinkin music, tough, but not straight enough to keep the floor rockin at a slammin party. That's my thoughts. On that one. My partner's th real electro-master. I am still but a student.

Ape



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Message 25/26                 Date: 29-Feb-00  @  12:50 AM   -   RE: electro

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agreed. it isn't in the electro spirit at all. i do appreciate the fact that you checked it out.
honestly i think the electro spirit is essentially a metter of resources...if i could accomplish everything i wanted to with a used ry30, a used oberheim matrix 6r, and some effects ... that would be closer to electro.

i guess its something to try, eh?

btw. thanks for listening.



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Message 26/26                 Date: 29-Feb-00  @  03:27 PM   -   RE: electro

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I would argue that funk is not really part of electro. The beat itself has no swing/shuffel at all, and is quantized to the 8th note. electro is dope, and just in being breakes based it does have some funky element to it, but i wouldnt say that being funky is a real quality of the electro sound.



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