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Subject: Now here's a goofyass question...


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Original Message 1/14                 Date: 25-Oct-00  @  07:49 PM   -   Now here's a goofyass question...

ed

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New at this technodance thang...

I really for the life of me can't figure out the difference between techno styles?

Maybe it's my ear (I remember the first time I heard "Bitches Brew" it just sounded like noise), but I can't get the difference between House, Techno, Hard Trance, Jungle, you name it.

Not that they all sound the same, I can hear differences, just can't put my finger on it.



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Message 2/14                 Date: 25-Oct-00  @  09:03 PM   -   RE: Now here's a goofyass question...

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techno *isn`t* a catchall term for all terms of electronic dance music mate. If they all sound the same to you then I suggest a new set of ears. Harsh, I know but.....well, just but.



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Message 3/14                 Date: 25-Oct-00  @  09:42 PM   -   RE: Now here's a goofyass question...

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Oy, mate - did you actualy read my message?

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So what I'm asking, for example, is what is the actual difference between "trance" and "hard trance". If you don't mind my asking... Jeeze - is it like it's some sort of Masonic Lodge thing where you need to have the right hat and know the secret handshake?



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Message 4/14                 Date: 25-Oct-00  @  09:44 PM   -   RE: Now here's a goofyass question...

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P.S. I said it was a goofyass question.



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Message 5/14                 Date: 25-Oct-00  @  11:27 PM   -   RE: Now here's a goofyass question...

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simple, just go out and buy a cheap compilation of each... and listen...



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Message 6/14                 Date: 25-Oct-00  @  11:50 PM   -   RE: Now here's a goofyass question...

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Methinks he doth protest a bit too much.


Answers like this just make me feel like no one really has a grasp on this subject.


I've got butt-loads of CDs, been to many raves and clubs. Come on, people. Someone must have a clue.



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Message 7/14                 Date: 26-Oct-00  @  12:48 AM   -   RE: Now here's a goofyass question...

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Well the difference between jungle and trance should be pretty damn obvious if you've heard them both. However, sorting out the difference between hard trance, progessive trance, euphoric trance, etc... well, I'm just not up to that job. Too much subdividing the subgenres to be sure.



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Message 8/14                 Date: 26-Oct-00  @  01:28 AM   -   RE: Now here's a goofyass question...

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Then wots the difference between Jungle and
Drum and Bass?



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Message 9/14                 Date: 26-Oct-00  @  09:14 AM   -   RE: Now here's a goofyass question...

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In reply to your question about the difference between D&B and jungle. Firstly though my personal opinion is that music is music, if you like it, then you like it, simple as that, it does not matter what genre or sub genre it comes under.

Jungle came first, I can't remember when it all started, but it was around at the time when I was listening to Hardcore, roughly 8 years ago. Jungle tends to be very HARD sounding, the harder the better. The bass usually gives it away these days - in Jungle you hear that big, big distorted fucker, and the drums are usually pretty brutal aswell.

Drum and Bass is a bit more recent, and tends to be much cleaner, maybe with more real musical influences, jazz is the main one. LTJ Bukem is a Drum and Bass producer - it's just a bit more chilled.

I just love the beat that they use in both of the above. It is so simple, yet so brilliant.

As I said it is just all music, if like it, listen to it.

CHEERS



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Message 10/14                 Date: 27-Oct-00  @  01:54 AM   -   RE: Now here's a goofyass question...

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Good Answer  



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Message 11/14                 Date: 27-Oct-00  @  04:30 AM   -   The difference between it ALL!!!!

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Okay, first we will start off with the basics. House, trance, gabber, hard house, garage all have the same beat structure and that is 4/4. Boom Boom Boom Boom. The sounds it may have are different but the beat will always be based on 4/4.

Breakbeats go a bit different. The beat structure is exactly what it says Broken beats. Boom Cha Boom boom Cha boom cha boom...etc. The normal breakbeat music is clocked at about 130 bpms and it is pretty recognizable by the "Break it down" or "Get Fresh" and other cliche samples.

Drum n Bass is a form of breakbeat that EVOLVED (that word being the BEST way to describe dnb) It is breakbeats but sped up to about 160 bpms with the basslines going about 80 bpms. Now the distinct sound of drum n bass (or otherwise called jungle: and no there is no difference) is the snare. A good snare can make any drum n bass song in my opinion. Then you got the sounds on top which makes the difference.

The three basic electronic MAIN genre's are HOUSE, BREAKBEAT, and DRUM N BASS. Now there is downtempo, atmospheric, and a lot of other experimental styles. The hard part is pointing out the main SUBGENRES of the main genres. Quick breakdown of drum n bass genres:

Atmospheric- Exactly how it sounds.
Tech-step-Very techno influenced dnb with lots of analog sounds stretched out. Basically sounds like a video game getting mad at you but I love the shit and a lot of people do to.
Hard-step- Harder drum n bass with a distorted sound about it.
Jump-up - Very bouncy basslines and catchy samples on top. Aphrodite is very predominate with this style even though it sucks!

Those are just the main ones right now but there is like 15 different sub-genres of drum n bass.

You just got to listen and take these guidelines to your ears.

Peace.
Michael
[dj grip]



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Message 12/14                 Date: 27-Oct-00  @  03:21 PM   -   RE: Now here's a goofyass question...

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Thank you, thank you, thank you, dj grip, for your knowlegeable reply. Maybe you should write a book for goofyass newbies like me.



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Message 13/14                 Date: 29-Oct-00  @  04:26 AM   -   RE: Now here's a goofyass question...

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ahh, search for a website called 'the electronica primer' or somthing like that, it tells about the genres and some sub genres, and has audio examples for some of them.



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Message 14/14                 Date: 30-Oct-00  @  03:57 AM   -   RE: Now here's a goofyass question...

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If you do any drum programming you'll
note that in DnB and BreakBeats, the Snare
usually stays on Beats 2 and 4, but
not always.

With House, I think its a Closed HiHat on the 2nd
and 4th beat, with a Bass Drum on all 4 beats.

BJT



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