Original Message 1/29                 Date: 08-Feb-01  @  11:28 AM   -   01v or more outboard gear??

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i need more effects, another compressor and a patchbay. so more outboard gear as i'm lacking in that dept.

however, i also want an o1v mixer but financially i'm not quite ready.

so should i put the money for the outboard gear towards the 01v instead.

i underatdn the 01v has effects, compressors and an internal patchbay. can anyone tell me the quality of the 01v in relation to some half decent outboard gear.

does the 01v have seperate compressions and effects on each channel??

is the patchbay a pain??

thanks for your advice

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Message 2/29                 Date: 08-Feb-01  @  01:05 PM   -   RE: 01v or more outboard gear??

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The 01v has separate compression and 4-band parametric eq on all channels.

It has two effects to be shared between all channels.

I don't think you can use it as a patchbay - it doesn't have that many outs.

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Message 3/29                 Date: 08-Feb-01  @  05:07 PM   -   RE: 01v or more outboard gear??

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i heard somewhere it has an internal patchbay routing type thing??

i also read on this forum that someone sold their compressors once they got the 01v. are they any good??

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Message 4/29                 Date: 08-Feb-01  @  05:16 PM   -   RE: 01v or more outboard gear??

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supposedly they do the job (the
compressors) the internal patchin for
efx and compression would probly
do away with your need for a
patchbay for the time being, i say get
the 01v

Peaceout

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Message 5/29                 Date: 08-Feb-01  @  05:46 PM   -   RE: 01v or more outboard gear??

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they said the compressors are perfect - that is they don't have character that a valve would have but they do what they are supposed to and very well.

besides, a mastering compressor that colours the sound in a good way is going to be like 2 grand or something.

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Message 6/29                 Date: 08-Feb-01  @  08:10 PM   -   RE: 01v or more outboard gear??

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Just to be clear: only the 14 analogue channels (12 mono, 2 stereo) have dynamics processors and 4-band eq; the optional in boards (ADAT, analogue, TDIF etc.) don't have access to the dynamics and only have two band eq BUT any (or all) option channels can be swapped with a normal channel and thus gain access to four-band eq and dynamics, although of course the normal channel only then has access to 2-band eq and no dynamics. The effect sends also have 4-band fully parametric eq.

The routing in the 01V is quite flexible but that's nothing to do with any internal patchbay or anything. I think its misleading to think of it that way.

I'd say go for the 01V and supplement later with outboard compressors, effects and eq as needed. Even if you later decide to get a more obvious compressor that won't render the inbuilt dynamics useless: having gates on all the analogue ins is always going to be useful for a start.

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Message 7/29                 Date: 09-Feb-01  @  06:06 AM   -   RE: 01v or more outboard gear??

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not much point in havin that much outboard stuff really anyway cuz there are no inserts...

but you can always go through stuff...


as for to buy or not to buy? just..really...with all the features packed into that mixer...it is a HELL of a deal.

the compressors do what theyre meant to do. reduce dynamics. you can totally kill a sound, open it all the way up, make it pump etc ...

and...hehe...horizens is selling his..one with the 8 analog expansion card...

horizens?

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Message 8/29                 Date: 09-Feb-01  @  11:02 AM   -   RE: 01v or more outboard gear??

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horizens???

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Message 9/29                 Date: 09-Feb-01  @  08:14 PM   -   RE: 01v or more outboard gear??

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I think it's worth pointing out that the dynamics don't just mean compressors; on each of the 16 input channels, 4 aux sends and stereo output you can have any one of the following:

Compressor

Gate

Ducker

Expander

Hard Compander

Soft Compander


The companders are incredibly potent, brilliant for sampled breaks. Makes them sound 10 times larger than life, punchy, snappy, you name it. Selecting one of these gives you combined compression, expansion and limiting to do with as you please. The difference between the hard and soft compander is just the expansion ratio - 1.5:1 for the soft, 5:1 for the hard.

Get an 01V, get an 01V...

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Message 10/29                 Date: 09-Feb-01  @  09:42 PM   -   RE: 01v or more outboard gear??

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good point johnny. ever the O1v proponent

Horizens is a cat that comes here sometimes...

his email is..uh..digitalrust@earthlink.net

got two O1vs in fine condition and one 8 input analog card. homey wants an O2r

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Message 11/29                 Date: 09-Feb-01  @  10:49 PM   -   RE: 01v or more outboard gear??

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The 01V Evangelist, that's me :-)

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Message 12/29                 Date: 10-Feb-01  @  12:42 AM   -   RE: 01v or more outboard gear??

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yeah, you convinced me to go buy one you bastard ......even sold the mpc for the bugger. Good thing I love it then else I`d be angry or something. Just about the only thing I`ve ever owned other than the smapler that hasn`t annoyed the hell out of me ......oh, but now the buttons are screwed on the smapler so make that just the 01v  

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Message 13/29                 Date: 10-Feb-01  @  02:11 AM   -   RE: 01v or more outboard gear??

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Rtek man..Im tellin ya...you need to bug the hell outta Emu. get irate with them!!! that is NOT an acceptable problem!! not in a piece that expensive

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Message 14/29                 Date: 10-Feb-01  @  12:03 PM   -   RE: 01v or more outboard gear??

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Another happy convert then in r-tek, even sold the venerable MPC to get it eh... then my powers are growing...

About the Emu thing, I'd hassle them as well but remember they're located in the wilds of Scotland (nice and inaccessible) so phone calls & shipping won't come cheap...

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Message 15/29                 Date: 10-Feb-01  @  01:38 PM   -   RE: 01v or more outboard gear??

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You don't need inserts unless you want to use the desk's pre-amps with a mic level signal or somethin. So don't let the lack of inserts bother you.

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Message 16/29                 Date: 10-Feb-01  @  08:13 PM   -   RE: 01v or more outboard gear??

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or if you wanted to use outboard compression and stuff. not a big deal really but..it IS an issue

E-mu is in Scotland? wonder why

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Message 17/29                 Date: 10-Feb-01  @  08:40 PM   -   RE: 01v or more outboard gear??

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I`ve tried by phone and they just keep giving me shit about "wear and tear" .........an 18 month old piece of equipment which has cost me over 2 grand to date, fucking wear and tear. Who the fuck spends all that money on a piece and *doesn`t* use it a lot? Fuck. Well, I`ve written a letter to the customer services manager so I`m gonna havta wait and see ..........failing that it`ll be emu in america.Sorry for disrupting the thread.

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Message 18/29                 Date: 10-Feb-01  @  09:08 PM   -   RE: 01v or more outboard gear??

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Once again: the lack of inserts is not an issue if you want to use outboard compressors unless you want to use the desk mic pre-amps before the compressor to bring the gain up to a usable level for the compressor to act on. If the signal is already line level you just patch the compressor in-line with the desk input. So its only an issue for mic-level signals in which case you need to use an outboard mic-pre prior to the compressor.

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Message 19/29                 Date: 10-Feb-01  @  10:30 PM   -   RE: 01v or more outboard gear??

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yep, Rowboffin is correct there.

Sticking a patchbay in line with the mixer inputs would give a whole load of insert points... Behringer Ultrapatch only 40 quid, that would give you 24 insert points, just the ticket.

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Message 20/29                 Date: 11-Feb-01  @  01:36 PM   -   RE: 01v or more outboard gear??

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I suppose you could use the omni outs for outboard effect sends.

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Message 21/29                 Date: 11-Feb-01  @  02:20 PM   -   RE: 01v or more outboard gear??

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Yeah, that's right. The omni outs on my 01V are almost permanently fed the aux sends but you could feed them the mix buses and patch in a compressor on the way to your recorder. That makes it possible to compress a group at mix down which is a useful thing to be able to do.

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Message 22/29                 Date: 11-Feb-01  @  08:19 PM   -   RE: 01v or more outboard gear??

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I stand corrected

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Message 23/29                 Date: 12-Feb-01  @  02:37 PM   -   RE: 01v or more outboard gear??

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Yeah, you just sometimes have to be
creative about how you do things, but
all in all this mixer puts more power in
people's hands for less money than any
other that I can think of.

-Craig

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Message 24/29                 Date: 13-Feb-01  @  11:52 AM   -   RE: 01v or more outboard gear??

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disturbing that the 01v can't sync it's effects to midi.

is there such thing as software revisions on the 01v??

looks like i'll be getting one anyway 'cause all this talk has excited me.

no midi sync though??

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Message 25/29                 Date: 13-Feb-01  @  07:48 PM   -   RE: 01v or more outboard gear??

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I think Yamaha provided some software updates but I don't think they continue to do so now. The mixer you buy now should already have the latest OS anyway. The fact that the FX don't sync to MIDI clock has never proved an inconvenience to me since as someone has already mentioned you can set the tempo for all the time based FX and then specify the delay time or whatever in terms of musical values (8th notes, 16th notes, 8th note triplets and so on). So if your piece is a constant tempo the lack of sync is not an issue cos the FX will be in sync anyway providing you set the right values. If however your piece includes an abrupt tempo change then you can use a program change message to change the tempo settin for the effect (and/or the time value/bar sub-division value if you wish). The only situation in which the lack of sync would be an issue is if the tempo changes gradually during the piece, but then any FX device that professes to sync to MIDI clock would be a little shaky during the transition: usually a steady clock is required for the sync to occur properly. And more to the point why would you want to sync the FX during a gradual tempo change? Personally I can't envisage a situation where I would want to do that so it doesn't bother me. It has to be said that the 01V is a brilliant companion to a MIDI sequencer since it responds to and transmits continuous controllers and program changes meaning almost every aspect of a mix can be recorded to the sequencer. One word of warning to anyone thinking of hooking up the 01V to their sequencer: beware MIDI loops due to the sequencer's MIDI soft thru (or echo) cos if you've got both the in and out of the 01V connected then moving a fader will transmit a CC message which will be echoed back to the mixer from the sequencer and the fader will respond. This results in the fader locking and attempting to move the fader against the force of the motor can damage the motor. Its easy to avoid this happening, either by setting the soft-thru on your sequencer off for the MIDI channel the 01V is set to or by ensuring that the 01V is never simultaneously set to transmit CCs and to respond to them. Its something to be borne in mind and i'd hate for anyone to unwittingly fuck up one of their motors before experiencing the joys of mix automation. ;)

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Message 26/29                 Date: 19-Feb-01  @  12:20 PM   -   RE: 01v or more outboard gear??

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ok, thats cleared that all up then.

finally, anyone ever regret going digital and opt to go back to analogue.

surely there must be some people (those that like to go in the red alot)?

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Message 27/29                 Date: 19-Feb-01  @  04:18 PM   -   RE: 01v or more outboard gear??

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Not really what you're asking, but...

You can overdrive the 01v inputs. It makes interesting distorted noises given the right signal/gain combination.

(I don't know if this is safe, tho. I asked here at DT earlier but nobody seems to know. And yamaha.com refuse to answer because I'm not from the USA.)

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Message 28/29                 Date: 20-Feb-01  @  10:48 AM   -   RE: 01v or more outboard gear??

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i'd be really interested to know the answer too, if anyone knows?

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Message 29/29                 Date: 20-Feb-01  @  11:53 PM   -   RE: 01v or more outboard gear??

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well, I possibly fucked up the channels on my old 1604 by overdriving them way too high for way too long. Could`ve been a coincidence cos other bits and pieces started going to shit on it too ...No regrets as yet from going digital, tho I do remember reading in a past thread that someone had ditched the 01v and picked up a mackie - do a search or something.

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