Original Message 1/25                 Date: 16-Nov-00  @  06:35 PM   -   How to put your Gains,and instruments

ME

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hi,..i am a totally newbie,..and wanted to know how to setup your gain's on your mixing desk,..and at what level to put your instruments on,..and must i stay below the 0db level at my mixing desk,.
can anyone give me some beginners tips,..or an review at an Url please

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Message 2/25                 Date: 16-Nov-00  @  10:08 PM   -   RE: How to put your Gains,and instruments

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You'll want to keep your levels as high as possible, without clipping, at all points. On my gear, every volume on each piece is set on max. This way, I have the biggest signal OUT of the instrument, and then I adjust the input gain on the mixer as high as possible, without clipping. This means I have a high signal to noise ratio (you will too ;-). Does that make the least bit of sense? I could be more helpful if I knew what you had for gear, so I could more specific.

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Message 3/25                 Date: 17-Nov-00  @  01:08 PM   -   RE: How to put your Gains,and instruments

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i have an yamaha mx400 16-4 mixing desk
roland jv1080
roland tr707
yamaha mu-90R
yamaha Cs1x
akai s2000
virus B
terratec ews64 Xl
behringer ultrafex pro
behringer composer pro
and soft synths useing cubase VST 5

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Message 4/25                 Date: 17-Nov-00  @  01:10 PM   -   RE: How to put your Gains,and instruments

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and of course my lexicon mpx100

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Message 5/25                 Date: 17-Nov-00  @  01:34 PM   -   RE: How to put your Gains,and instruments

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You have all that shit and you're a total newbie?!?!?!?! WTF?!

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Message 6/25                 Date: 17-Nov-00  @  02:38 PM   -   RE: How to put your Gains,and instruments

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not really a newbie,..i just have a feeling that i don't use enough of what i should do,.my mixes keep sounding a bit raw
give me your email and i send you a piece of my new track
maybe you can give some advice
my email is vijgeboom@superweb.nl
myabe whe can stay in touch

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Message 7/25                 Date: 22-Nov-00  @  12:58 AM   -   RE: How to put your Gains,and instruments

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as a generalisation yes, but not always, sometimes ramming a sound well into distortion at the gain end is the sound, cos then you can 'tune' it with the eq controls of course !!!  .. i do that alot on drums and basses.

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Message 8/25                 Date: 22-Nov-00  @  05:34 AM   -   RE: How to put your Gains,and instruments

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And that also destroys gear that was bought with blood sweat and tears. ;-) I wouldn't RECOMMEND that, but have used that method to get some phat-ass sounds.

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Message 9/25                 Date: 22-Nov-00  @  06:21 PM   -   RE: How to put your Gains,and instruments

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no.... why would it destroy anything pumping the gain?

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Message 10/25                 Date: 23-Nov-00  @  08:50 AM   -   RE: How to put your Gains,and instruments

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It is a fact that overdriving the gains can blow up the channels. Good mixers are probably designed to take anything you can feed them but cheap mixers use cheap components that can't take that much punishment. Channel one on my Behringer MX2642A doesn't work anymore and that is the channel I always had my kick drums on...

The lesson? Don't buy cheap mixers =)

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Message 11/25                 Date: 23-Nov-00  @  04:32 PM   -   RE: How to put your Gains,and instruments

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well i've never blown a channel in 20 years on all types of mixers -

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Message 12/25                 Date: 23-Nov-00  @  10:59 PM   -   RE: How to put your Gains,and instruments

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dBu=20 times the logararithm of the power ratio,pump up the voltage on the gain the more electrons you are pushing through the desk,wether or not a desk a likes this is a different story.

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Message 13/25                 Date: 24-Nov-00  @  05:12 PM   -   RE: How to put your Gains,and instruments

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yes, but we are talking tiny voltages, if the gain circuit is sound it'll be fine, if it blows it's faulty... surely?...

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Message 14/25                 Date: 25-Nov-00  @  02:41 AM   -   RE: How to put your Gains,and instruments

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there's also a difference between hitting it a bit hard sometimes and ritually hammering your ICs into severe and constant clipping. if you're doing the former, you're probably OK. if you're doing the latter, you might want to look at some other 'technique.'

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Message 15/25                 Date: 25-Nov-00  @  06:58 AM   -   RE: How to put your Gains,and instruments

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Here's a link to an article I found somewhat interesting. It parallels the way I work in a certain respect. I try to get things sounding as complete as I can in midi. If I would then go through and try to individually get everything as hot as possible when recording the audio, it would in effect nullify a lot of my pre-production work. If I get a consistant relative level, I'm that much closer to getting the mix going.

One thing to realize about signal-to-noise ratio is that unless you're somehow inducing extra noise into the system, with digital recording you're dealing with an awfully quiet noise floor to begin with. So your signal is only 76 or 80 dB above the noise floor instead of 98. Big deal.

Anyway, read it. Sort of argues against trying to get those peak meters hitting zero on every single sound or normalizing all your individual audio files, doesn't it.

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Message 16/25                 Date: 25-Nov-00  @  06:16 PM   -   RE: How to put your Gains,and instruments

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"But this one goes to eleven..."
LOL, gotta rent that again.
Thanks for the link, up untill now, I tought my mackie was deffective cause the hats were leaking all over the board. Now I know it's normal, just me being ignorant B-) Very informative link for the newbie.

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Message 17/25                 Date: 25-Nov-00  @  06:40 PM   -   RE: How to put your Gains,and instruments

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good one damballah. informative read right there

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Message 18/25                 Date: 25-Nov-00  @  09:21 PM   -   RE: How to put your Gains,and instruments

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i'll third that - great article. the mixing piece also has some invaluable info, especially about EQ practices (even though it's coming from a band ange, the info is still relevant)

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Message 19/25                 Date: 25-Nov-00  @  09:39 PM   -   RE: How to put your Gains,and instruments

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a band angle...

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Message 20/25                 Date: 25-Nov-00  @  10:14 PM   -   RE: How to put your Gains,and instruments

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an angle, now that's a hook right ?

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Message 21/25                 Date: 26-Nov-00  @  04:07 AM   -   RE: How to put your Gains,and instruments

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when you cant see the angles no more....

what about the angels?

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Message 22/25                 Date: 26-Nov-00  @  05:44 AM   -   RE: How to put your Gains,and instruments

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they're over in anaheim. you can see 'em next summer but it's gonna cost ya.

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Message 23/25                 Date: 26-Nov-00  @  07:44 AM   -   RE: How to put your Gains,and instruments

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ha ha. you shoulda seen how that stadium used to be a full circle. .then they tore out 1/4 of it. then they put it back.

or was it the otehr way around. now its edison field not angel stadium

the corporate world. its taking over man. is there an end in sight?

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Message 24/25                 Date: 26-Nov-00  @  04:47 PM   -   RE: How to put your Gains,and instruments

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THE end, kind of different

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Message 25/25                 Date: 26-Nov-00  @  05:48 PM   -   RE: How to put your Gains,and instruments

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damblahblah - thanks! great read yup.

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