Original Message 1/27                 Date: 25-Oct-00  @  04:20 PM   -   Upgrade to Digital Mixer or stay Analogue?

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hi, this question must have been asked a gazillion times but i'm ready here and now.

i'd been eyeing a mackie 1604 vlz pro as my next logical upgrade. the sound quality is quite superb and far excels what i have now (studiomaster 16:2).

in the meantime however, i've noticed that alot of people here have digital mixers. i've always been told (mackie seminar) that analogue has a warmer sound.

now the newer generation is about i wondered what's new. hi-price digital mixers are now more affordable so should i indulge.

i'm not in a position to audition every mixer available (no stores nearby) but a recommendation would be good.

i have an akai s5000, supernova, vintage keys, R8, JX10 and effects units. i need inputs more than anything but cost is a factor.

whats the pros and cons?

thanx for unbiased advice

ciao

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Message 2/27                 Date: 25-Oct-00  @  06:39 PM   -   RE: Upgrade to Digital Mixer or stay Analogue?

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Im sorry..but..uh..please read all the threads about the O1v here first!!!!

I just got one used with a case for a grand..thats only $300 more than a VLZ.

warmer? sure. its analog. but thats what tubes are for? after your digital mixer...

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Message 3/27                 Date: 25-Oct-00  @  08:01 PM   -   RE: Upgrade to Digital Mixer or stay Analogue?

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i'll keep it simple - you haven't LIVED until you've mixed on an 01V (or 03D, 02R).

If this site ever implemented signatures, mine would run something like that.

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Message 4/27                 Date: 25-Oct-00  @  09:00 PM   -   RE: Upgrade to Digital Mixer or stay Analogue?

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damn man!!!

johnny loves his. hope I do too when it gets here. figger a couple weeks learnin it but hey..should be worth it!

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Message 5/27                 Date: 25-Oct-00  @  09:10 PM   -   RE: Upgrade to Digital Mixer or stay Analogue?

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Yes, you will too. It's mostly about convenience, for me, but the sound is also fantastic. Very clean, and deathly quiet.

Did anyone ever notice that the people who talk about analog being warmer or better than digital usually use stuff like Neve, SSL... Of course it's going to sound fantastic it's a hundred thousand dollar fucking console! There's really no comparison though between a mid-range Mackie desk and something like an 01V though.

-Craig

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Message 6/27                 Date: 26-Oct-00  @  10:46 AM   -   RE: Upgrade to Digital Mixer or stay Analogue?

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are there any other digital desks to pick from or is the 01v the ONLY choice.

does anyone disagree that the 01v is the be all and end all??

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Message 7/27                 Date: 26-Oct-00  @  11:49 AM   -   RE: Upgrade to Digital Mixer or stay Analogue?

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what about the promix 1? that's cheap now.

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Message 8/27                 Date: 26-Oct-00  @  12:40 PM   -   RE: Upgrade to Digital Mixer or stay Analogue?

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just checkout the specs on the yamaha site.. I did, I really ,really wished I hadn't though.

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Message 9/27                 Date: 26-Oct-00  @  04:46 PM   -   RE: Upgrade to Digital Mixer or stay Analogue?

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I've heard complaints of build quality on the Promix 01, and also that the compressors aren't as good, but I've never demo'd one. The Tascam TM-D1000 looks nice too and for a lot less money, but it doesn't have the processing power of the 01V, and it's only 8 channels unless you have TDIF outs on your gear. Otherwise, the TDIF adapter plus mixer to give you a 16 analog in desk is about $950 US, so your extra money goes well spent.

-Craig

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Message 10/27                 Date: 26-Oct-00  @  06:46 PM   -   RE: Upgrade to Digital Mixer or stay Analogue?

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the promix 01 only has 3 compressors, crunchy sound and extremely limited i/o. best avoided really.

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Message 11/27                 Date: 28-Oct-00  @  10:06 AM   -   RE: Upgrade to Digital Mixer or stay Analogue?

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just got my O1v. damn. just reading about it i get all excited. what a fuckin geek.

well...gettin the 8 analog card tomorrow and its ONCE AGAIN a studio re-do. last time tho. for suRE.

hell yeah this thing looks powerful!

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Message 12/27                 Date: 30-Oct-00  @  12:07 PM   -   RE: Upgrade to Digital Mixer or stay Analogue?

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how many analogue inputs do you get standard on the 01v and how much for extra??

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Message 13/27                 Date: 30-Oct-00  @  12:52 PM   -   RE: Upgrade to Digital Mixer or stay Analogue?

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There are 16 'normal' analog inputs.

There is only room for one expansion board, so if you want digital I/O don't order the analog input expansion board.

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Message 14/27                 Date: 30-Oct-00  @  02:18 PM   -   RE: Upgrade to Digital Mixer or stay Analogue?

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Fuck!

Influx - do you shit cash or something?

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Message 15/27                 Date: 30-Oct-00  @  09:47 PM   -   RE: Upgrade to Digital Mixer or stay Analogue?

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no way man. low overhead. dont drink that much anymore. no drug habits. no girlfriend. great driving record so insurance is cheap. minor credit bills.

as for the Inputs on the O1v. 16, but 12 mono 2 stereo.

8 in analog card is about $220 or so?

And..uh..."if you want digital IO"???? uh..its GOT spdif IO. if you want ADAT IO you need the adat card and yeah, it only takes one card, so

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Message 16/27                 Date: 31-Oct-00  @  02:07 AM   -   RE: Upgrade to Digital Mixer or stay Analogue?

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Yeah, influx, that's what I meant.

I bought the adat expansion to connect the 01v to my computer for multitrack recording and playback.

I'll use the spdif in to hook up the K2000RS if possible.

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Message 17/27                 Date: 31-Oct-00  @  02:37 AM   -   RE: Upgrade to Digital Mixer or stay Analogue?

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just didnt want homey to get confused 

oh, and jasper..SURE I SHIT CASH. want some? smells funny tho

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Message 18/27                 Date: 31-Oct-00  @  11:48 AM   -   RE: Upgrade to Digital Mixer or stay Analogue?

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if you want to record fader movements manually in realtime, not via midi through the sequencer, am i right in thinking this machine can't do it.

was the promix 1 able to do this??

if the 01v can't do this, what can - only high end machines??

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Message 19/27                 Date: 31-Oct-00  @  12:34 PM   -   RE: Upgrade to Digital Mixer or stay Analogue?

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I don't think it's possible to record fader movements in realtime.

However, it is possible to set a fade time (up to 25 seconds) to fade from one scene to another. This fade probably includes gradually moving faders towards the new scene's fader positions.

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Message 20/27                 Date: 31-Oct-00  @  12:37 PM   -   RE: Upgrade to Digital Mixer or stay Analogue?

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"...record fader movements in realtime"
should be
"record fader movements in realtime without an external sequencer"

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Message 21/27                 Date: 31-Oct-00  @  01:49 PM   -   RE: Upgrade to Digital Mixer or stay Analogue?

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what?.. the old o1 could do that surely... hey did you know you can link 8 O1's together to get 128 channels with full automation !!!

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Message 22/27                 Date: 31-Oct-00  @  07:34 PM   -   RE: Upgrade to Digital Mixer or stay Analogue?

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the old 01 didn't have an onboard mix sequencer either - you had to use an external sequencer to record and play back fader moves with that too. The 03D and 02R *do* have built-in mix sequencers though...

and about linking several 01Vs - I like how all you need to do is buy a couple of cables to do this. The 'Cascade' kits for the 03D/02R cost about £800 :-)

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Message 23/27                 Date: 31-Oct-00  @  11:15 PM   -   RE: Upgrade to Digital Mixer or stay Analogue?

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Yeah, I like the idea of cascading 01Vs, too. I'm considering buying another one so that I can use more channels for each synth.

(I'm trying to figure out something about the TR-909 that is somehow related to spending more money to get more inputs. The 909 has a stereo out, but the individiual outs are mono ? Doesn't seem to make much sense...)

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Message 24/27                 Date: 02-Nov-00  @  06:46 PM   -   RE: Upgrade to Digital Mixer or stay Analogue?

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Sure it does, as you will be able to pan the individual outs using your mixer  

-Craig

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Message 25/27                 Date: 02-Nov-00  @  07:42 PM   -   RE: Upgrade to Digital Mixer or stay Analogue?

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Yes, but what's the deal with the 909 stereo out ? If the individual outs from the 909 are mono, and there is no pan control or anything else to indicate that signals are stereo... Is the stereo out just two identical mono outs ?
The reason I'm obsessing with this is that I want to be sure I'm not losing anything by using the individual (mono) outs...

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Message 26/27                 Date: 02-Nov-00  @  09:34 PM   -   RE: Upgrade to Digital Mixer or stay Analogue?

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I don't know all that much about the 909. Try asking in the analog forum, or to get the answer from some real analog-crazies, try the Analog Heaven listserv.

-Craig

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Message 27/27                 Date: 03-Nov-00  @  09:27 PM   -   RE: Upgrade to Digital Mixer or stay Analogue?

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usually a stereo out is just a sum of all the sounds with a left and right. mono out means the sound will be mono...like a kick snare etc. you wont lose anything like that...itll sound solid cuz you can seperate the sounds out. try it!

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