Original Message 1/14                 Date: 20-Sep-99  @  01:57 PM   -   Insert here?

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can some one please explain to me what the inserts are for on a mixer? i read somewhere that these are where dynamic processors should be patched. is this true?

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Message 2/14                 Date: 20-Sep-99  @  03:25 PM   -   RE: Insert here?

horizens

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yes. or effects/outboard gear. they send signals 2 way- to your outboard gear and then back into the mixer.

kilo's written up a good article on mixing under "mixers and mixing." have a look see up there.

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Message 3/14                 Date: 22-Sep-99  @  01:12 PM   -   RE: Insert here?

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i still dont get it. the articles on this page didn't say much about it.

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Message 4/14                 Date: 22-Sep-99  @  07:21 PM   -   RE: Insert here?

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for inserts - see the ARTICLE - PATCHBAYS R US... all explained with image i think if i remember right... it certainly explains inserts

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Message 5/14                 Date: 22-Sep-99  @  07:26 PM   -   RE: Insert here?

horizens

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damn, sorry. it's been awhile since i read about it here. i knew it was around somewhere.

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Message 6/14                 Date: 01-Oct-99  @  03:59 PM   -   RE: Insert here?

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Well, basically, you want to use a channel insert when you want to dedicate an FX box to a single track. You'll probably need a special cable, 1/4" TRS to dual 1/4" plugs. The idea is that you "insert" the processor into the mixer's signal chain, after the pre-amp and usually before the EQ and/or global FX sends.

-Craig

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Message 7/14                 Date: 04-Oct-99  @  02:46 PM   -   RE: Insert here?

coreback

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It's used for compressors mainly.

I use mine combined with a distorsion rack for my kicks.
Works great : really different from the aux/sends.

thomas

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Message 8/14                 Date: 26-Oct-99  @  03:49 PM   -   RE: Insert here?

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you get a stronger signal off an insert too, dontcha? as opposed to an aux send?

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Message 9/14                 Date: 30-Oct-99  @  03:06 PM   -   RE: Insert here?

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The signal coming from the insert is pre-eq but it is post-gain/trim. The signal from the aux send is post-eq/gain/trim and can also be tied to the channel fader.

So what am I saying?

Aux sends can have a stronger signal but you'll get more noise with the signal because the it runs through the eq and other circuitry before it is sent out.

The insert just breaks the signal after the gain/trim adjustment. This break allows you to send the signal to outboard gear like compressors, eq's, pitch correctors, limiters, etc. which will effect the entire signal. And then you can use the aux sends to effect the signal even more.

Btw, don't use the fx returns on your mixer to return the signal from the effects processors. Use one of your stereo channel strips.

John

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Message 10/14                 Date: 30-Oct-99  @  03:18 PM   -   RE: Insert here?

John

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Ooops. I was wrong when I said the Insert is post-gain/trim. The insert breaks the signal after the physical input of the channel strip, and before everything else.

John

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Message 11/14                 Date: 31-Oct-99  @  03:51 PM   -   RE: Insert here?

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ok, i get it now

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Message 12/14                 Date: 10-Nov-99  @  04:50 AM   -   RE: Insert here?

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"Btw, don't use the fx returns on your mixer to return the signal from the effects processors. Use one of your stereo channel strips."

Why?

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Message 13/14                 Date: 13-Nov-99  @  11:39 AM   -   RE: Insert here?

cyclop

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look at it like this.take a stereo yack and two monoyacks,and two leads.(the wires).make the mass and the core off the leades bare on the ends just as when jou are going to solder a mono lead.on one end of the two leads you solder ,in the usual way, the monoyacks.
now you have two leads with a monojack on one end. take the stereoyack.solder from each of the two leads the mass wires to the one mass of the stereoyack.now solder one of the tipleads of the monoyacks two the ring of the stereoyack and the other to the tip of the stereo yack.
when you are done you have produced a
Y-cable.if you put the stereo yack in to the insert socket you interupt the signal,coming from the gain of that channel.one of the two monoyacks is now
the insert-send, and one is the insert-return.find out what is what and now you can connect the two monoyacks to the apropriet sockets on ,lets say a fx-processor's in and output.the signal coming from the gain is nolonger interupted,and you will have the same signal as before,except for the fact that it has fx added,only on that one channel.but it also could be a compressor or a expander,finalizer or big bottom... whatever.i hope you understand my explanation.it is real simple once you understand.
driftkicker.

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Message 14/14                 Date: 14-Nov-99  @  12:51 PM   -   RE: Insert here?

John

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Stephen B--

Use your stereo returns for the main outs of romplers/samplers that have their own internal effects and eq (1080/Trinity/A3000/etc.)

By using the stereo channels to return the outboard fx processors, you'll be able to eq the returned effect, and also send the effect to another outboard fx or itself via another aux send.

Experiment with this senario:

1. Set up a delay that has an 1/8th or 1/4 beat delay time and no feedback..

2. Send a vocal hit/sound to the delay only once.

3. Use the aux send on the Delay's "stereo channel return" to send the delayed signal (vocal) back to the delay.

Experiment with the amount of signal you feed back to the delay, and listen to how the sound (vocal) will slowly change and eventually become totally unrecognisable. This happens because the delay unit has to resample the signal everytime it is looped back.

John

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