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Original Message 1/45                 Date: 05-Aug-03  @  09:20 AM   -   lets loose cars

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how to move away from the brink



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Message 2/45                 Date: 05-Aug-03  @  09:53 AM   -   RE: lets loose cars

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bad link. but Im curious



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Message 3/45                 Date: 05-Aug-03  @  10:47 AM   -   RE: lets loose cars

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not BI curious ?



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Message 4/45                 Date: 05-Aug-03  @  01:05 PM   -   RE: lets loose cars

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do you mean "lose"? the one that is the opposite win, the that rhymes with booze, as in "you're a loser"? because "loose" rhymes with noose and is the opposite of tight, like "these shoes are too loose". why can't you english speak your own f*cking language? :P



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Message 5/45                 Date: 05-Aug-03  @  05:03 PM   -   RE: lets loose cars

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maybe he was saying that he lets loose cars, thereby freeing them from their human overlords.



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Message 6/45                 Date: 05-Aug-03  @  06:12 PM   -   RE: lets loose cars

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Maybe he was saying "lose" in a Swedish accent?



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Message 7/45                 Date: 05-Aug-03  @  07:46 PM   -   RE: lets loose cars

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maybe he's been drinkin'



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Message 8/45                 Date: 05-Aug-03  @  09:09 PM   -   RE: lets loose cars

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"maybe he was saying that he lets loose cars, thereby freeing them from their human overlords."

HAHAHAH Down with humans! I opt for an overthrow.



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Message 9/45                 Date: 06-Aug-03  @  02:48 PM   -   RE: lets loose cars

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i thought perhaps the 'famous' boyband let loose were selling their cars and Chedda had the advert...:P

greg



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Message 10/45                 Date: 06-Aug-03  @  03:57 PM   -   RE: lets loose cars

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i just think that we know how much they cost and how unsustainable they are and still we can't consider the back of them because they are ingrained in transport policy and social standing and profit circles and power plays and all the while the earth is being emptied and dying and we cant go back

I read a piece about the summer heat and how they had to impose speed limits to reduce pollution

I fell asleep in the back of a car and when I woke up we were going nowhere in the fast lane of the M1, there were 6 lanes full of card as far as the eye could see, all those billions in roads and cars all going nowhere

I saw a photo of a city once and figured 20+% of the surface was for cars, more if you tink of garages and dealership and factories

The MkI Golf GTI was 'over engineered' WFT is that

Ad then you have to pay for the privilage of NOT moving a machine built to move

Autos are a tax, they are designed to break down and cost you money, they build it into the equation, like HP printer cartridges

We are stupid and stupid and our children will not thank us for our shortsighted selfishness

I also read a guy who was panicking that the chinese gov was trying to get everyone to eat 2 eggs a week and there wasnt enough resource in the world to do that, well not without others loosing resource



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Message 11/45                 Date: 06-Aug-03  @  04:15 PM   -   RE: lets loose cars

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losing, babe, losing. And I feel ya...



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Message 12/45                 Date: 06-Aug-03  @  07:26 PM   -   RE: lets loose cars

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i come from the future ^



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Message 13/45                 Date: 06-Aug-03  @  07:43 PM   -   RE: lets loose cars

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I'm in California... the newest population center on Earth. The vast majority of California was unsettled or small community when the car was invented. And this state, moreso than any place I've been on earth is built around the car! We NEED motorized transit here...

Why? Because communities are built for it!!! they were designed with the car in mind. I'm fortunately to live in the downtown urban environment of my community... this means most of what's around me was built before the car, and therefore i have little need for one. But most people in my culture MUST drive to work, MUST drive to anything... Endless winding roads lead out to fields of oversized houses... with no services or shopping for miles... no outlet for food.

It's a serious design flaw... I know it's all over like this, but it's glaring here... we have 3 cities in the top 10 poluters in the US... which is the top poluter in the world.

e



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Message 14/45                 Date: 06-Aug-03  @  07:47 PM   -   RE: lets loose cars

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build more shops and services. sim city anyone?



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Message 15/45                 Date: 06-Aug-03  @  08:10 PM   -   RE: lets loose cars

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that would require destroying housing... you see, the housing neighborhoods are usualy walled in, and have only a couple of exits... literaly 2 or 3 miles of road can be contained in a small space. And it must be driven to get out of the cdevelopment... this isn't just in California, it's a popular of designing communities all over the industrialized world. it's just that, in older communities these ideas had to be paired with existing roads and buildings etc... in California, it's ALL like this.

I'm not suggesting that i think we NEED cars, I'm saying that these stupid bastards screwed it up HUGE! And people will not go without cars now!

It's why, I think, SUV's are so popular. People think they need a vehicle comfortable enough to trek themselves and their kids out of the planned community and down to the pizza shop/bookstore/live entertainment venue!

It's rampant, and Im afraid, it's probably too late to go back!

e



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Message 16/45                 Date: 06-Aug-03  @  08:42 PM   -   RE: lets loose cars

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destroying housing?


the people who run the shop on the corner of my street live in the same building. it's all about those boring town planners. things can change.



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Message 17/45                 Date: 06-Aug-03  @  09:30 PM   -   RE: lets loose cars

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LOL... yeah, i'd love to be there when you explained to my girlfriends parents that their neighbor was opening a pub... or a local market... etc...

I'm being pessimistic, I know!!! But man, it's rampant... they don't WANT to give it up, and the changes required would be WAY too invasive for most folks...

I 'm not usualy so pessimistic about this shit! Sorry... must be a mood.

e



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Message 18/45                 Date: 06-Aug-03  @  11:37 PM   -   RE: lets loose cars

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why don't they just burn California to the ground and start again then?



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Message 19/45                 Date: 07-Aug-03  @  12:01 AM   -   RE: lets loose cars

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not a bad idea, Steve

but I'm sayin' the problem is the same everywhere. it's just PERSONIFIED here... I mean, all communities have these little developed bullshit mini-communities in them, right?

And folks are soooooooo ADDICTED to this idea of what is pleasant, of what means they have arrived at this illusory goal! And their cars are a part of that! Their vehicles FACILITATE this arrival. They get in them and drive drive drive to their desires, their fears, their hopes... cars/trucks get us to where we're going... and where we're going is so fucked up that we refuse to look twice at it.

The goal has becaome the vehicle, a perverted form of, "It's not the destination but the trip!"... but with always the subconscious destination in mind... gotta get there!!! Safely!!! And FAST... when all "THERE" is is anywhere but... HERE!!!

e



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Message 20/45                 Date: 07-Aug-03  @  12:27 AM   -   RE: lets loose cars

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okay.............going into stupid american consumerist mode here but..............


I love driving.......it's one of my most favorite things to do in the world. Take my shoes off (i know it's illegal), climb into my car, and just go. There's nothing like rolling down the windows, turning on the stereo and just going nowhere, for nowhere's sake. Whether it be a short survey of the city, a meandering stroll through the countryside, or speeding down the left lane of a 5 lane highway. I am just selfish I guess, but unfortunately, I cannot give up this luxury.


Trills



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Message 21/45                 Date: 07-Aug-03  @  02:00 AM     Edit: 07-Aug-03  |  02:02 AM   -   RE: lets loose cars

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yeah trills, but does this involve a big 5 litre gas guzzler or a little jap 1 litre suzuki?

blu



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Message 22/45                 Date: 07-Aug-03  @  02:56 AM   -   RE: lets loose cars

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american 4 cylinder sedan......very boring.



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Message 23/45                 Date: 07-Aug-03  @  03:16 AM   -   RE: lets loose cars

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Been riding motorcycles as my only form of transport for over twenty years (cheap cars in between motorbike purchases only) and I'm waiting for the the monkeys in their cages to evolve. I'm not sure it will ever happen. Once an earth destroying lower form of cage bound homo-sapien always an earth destroying lower form of cage bound homo-sapien . "Oh, but how do get by without a car?!?!" "What do you do when it rains?!?!" Um, use the part of my brain that seperates me from monkeys in cages.

Talk is cheap as are my petrol bills & emissions, gotta walk the walk or make the best of a bad situation and ride a motorbike.



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Message 24/45                 Date: 07-Aug-03  @  04:56 AM   -   RE: lets loose cars

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Howe about bicycle everywhere you go, unless that where is somewhere more than 20 miles (I have a child, too small for his own bike)

don't say mass transit, there's no such thing where I am... which is, honestly, something I'm working hard to fix in my community.

We do what we can, eh? walk the walk, yes... and try to leave as little a footprint as possible in doing so.

e



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Message 25/45                 Date: 07-Aug-03  @  05:52 AM   -   RE: lets loose cars

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Sidecar.



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Message 26/45                 Date: 07-Aug-03  @  06:03 AM   -   RE: lets loose cars

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Bring back the horse.



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Message 27/45                 Date: 07-Aug-03  @  05:58 PM   -   RE: lets loose cars

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"don't say mass transit"

just look at the stats, 50, 300, flow! people going to the same place, personal is heading way from efficiency

credit card rental cars, metal nothing

stay at home on the net



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Message 28/45                 Date: 07-Aug-03  @  06:43 PM   -   RE: lets loose cars

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One word. Hydrogen.

You'll never take my car, because I am also one of the people who takes extreme pleasure in the act of driving (Acura RSX/Honda Integra if you're wondering, no SUVs here). But you could change the fuel to something renewable and clean.

-Craig



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Message 29/45                 Date: 07-Aug-03  @  07:34 PM   -   RE: lets loose cars

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Save yourself, not the Earth. The Earth passes, but your soul does not.



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Message 30/45                 Date: 07-Aug-03  @  07:36 PM   -   RE: lets loose cars

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the vehicle is the one place where you are in control, where you can be alone.

you think it's tough to deal with the problems now - you try it tomorrow when you have to buy oxygen. go on, laugh, then ignore. for want of a nail.



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Message 31/45                 Date: 07-Aug-03  @  08:54 PM   -   RE: lets loose cars

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hey mick... not sure where you are, but here children under a certain age and weight can't ride in sidecars.

In fact I think it's 80 pounds now, must be in a car seat! Something obnoxiously "volvo" safe like that

cars wouldn't be such a big deal if the masses who move in the same direction at the same time were doing so together. This is sort of a better meaning of mass transit. If 50,000 people all move from one place to another during the same time period, why must they all drive there?

I enjoy driving to, guys... but I might also enjoy heroin if i tried it a few times. As i say, all's good in moderation.. but where your selfish behavior begins to damage a wide range of thigs which (at least by appearances) are seperate from you then a little personal responsibilty might be in order.

Hydrogen's good... But I think the disconnect our cars allow us is part of the greater problem of societal disinterest and a head in the sand brand of non commitance.

My mother lives in a gated community... children are only allowed to visit for 3 days... there's a grocery, a strip mall and a hospital all within the gates... and a golf course. they drive little golf carts everywhere... very clean!!! And they vote selfishly, they think selfishly, they have no concern for the greater community because they have disconnected from it.

This is a system built on the notion that we are sperate... that our actions are determined only by us because they effect only us... it's selfish, childish and completely full of shit.

And I believe cars are part of this disease. They carve neighborhoods with highways... they hide houses behind sound walls... and we take our individual selves to our individual cars and drive our individual little worlds around one another and pretend there's no responsibility beyond the individaul. And it's all broken, but we patently ignore this fact because we are taking care of ourselves and it's not our fault!

e



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Message 32/45                 Date: 07-Aug-03  @  10:45 PM   -   RE: lets loose cars

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errata, well put.



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Message 33/45                 Date: 07-Aug-03  @  10:56 PM   -   RE: lets loose cars

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Lets loose people. In my opinion it all boils down to too many people. Squabbling about this and that is one thing, but basically if you have less people you have a bigger pie to go around. Wars are fought over land and resources allocation, then religion and ideology, which are in the end forms of government that dictate how how land and resources are used. My hunch is we are do for a superplague, not to punish humanity, because quite frankly were not that important, but to bring the earth back into equalibrium which is the natural tendency anyway. One study done on rats showed that when the population for a given size cage became to small larger and larger portions of offspring became gay. Sound familiar? If humans are too stupid to reach a consesus on how to solve these problems chaos will invariably step in and erradicate the problem without our help.



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Message 34/45                 Date: 07-Aug-03  @  11:27 PM   -   RE: lets loose cars

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Deosn't sound very "chaotic" chaos.

Of course you're right... to a point. I'd say, we're to smart for those types of controls anymore. We ignore the "natural" barriers to overpopulation. We are aging to record ages now! Homosexuals are opting for artificial insemination, lesbians using the sperm of gay men... (which is wonderful, but it makes homosexuality a bad vehicle for population control). Hell, though it killed several of my friends and a family member AIDS failed as a plague everywhere but Africa, which is (surprisingly) probably going to be remedied in the next 10 years.

Shall we go all Logans Run and opt to die at 30 (or whatever age it was). Something tells meyou won't get many takers... besides, bright as we think we might be, real thinking and wisdom (the only things Human's do that's decent or reasonable) doesn't start until cloer to 50...

I know I know... I'm filled with problems and offer no solutions... well, I have some, but they are extreme and require COOPERATION which is very unlikely considering the fact that even people who admit there's a problem (few and far between) can't agree on it's sources.

e



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Message 35/45                 Date: 07-Aug-03  @  11:37 PM   -   RE: lets loose cars

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lets lose people?

overpopulation - way too much of them, just enough of me.

it's not the lack of resources, it's the distribution.



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Message 36/45                 Date: 07-Aug-03  @  11:46 PM   -   RE: lets loose cars

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"overpopulation - way too much of them, just enough of me."

excellent beds, very well said indeed.

e



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Message 37/45                 Date: 07-Aug-03  @  11:56 PM   -   RE: lets loose cars

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no shit, chaos. why dont you off yourself then?

personally..Im here, and Im stayin. I wish people would stop having children for ONE generation...unless they can somehow assure the rest of us that they will raise them right, to have as little impact as possible

I would LOVE to only ride my bike places...or just public transit when necessary



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Message 38/45                 Date: 08-Aug-03  @  12:08 AM   -   RE: lets loose cars

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Yeah, but Influx... aren't you in LA?

The that peronifies what I'm on about in the state that personifies... blah blah blah

That's part of my original point... In order to be a part of your society you MUST drive... that's how it's all built!

I bike or walk everywhere, because it's all close by (as i said, I live in an old midtown environment)... but in a place like LA that's extemely impracticle!

e



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Message 39/45                 Date: 08-Aug-03  @  12:30 AM   -   RE: lets loose cars

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impractial? nearly impossible!

I dont live in LA tho...Im about 30 miles southeast, but...even where I live..its all designed to DRIVE

so all the soccer moms can have expeditions, and damn near run me over!

I have an older explorer, and am a bit ashamed to be driving it. Tough to sell though, and I cant just throw it away and buy something new.



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Message 40/45                 Date: 08-Aug-03  @  12:35 AM   -   RE: lets loose cars

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it's not my line, unfortunately. it's that well known right-wing libertarian p.j. o'rourke. interesting old book of his "All the Trouble in the World : The Lighter Side of Overpopulation, Famine, Ecological Disaster, Ethnic Hatred, Plague, and Poverty" it's a chapter titl;e from that.

http://www.groveatlantic.com/grove/wc.dll?groveproc~genauth~568~1466~DESC


the actual quote "Just Enough of Me, Way Too Much of You"

some others if i can remember "if meat is murder, are eggs rape?" and "all guns, no butter". i don't necessarily agree with all of his conclusions but he is funny as Fuck.

here's a snippet of a review

"... far and away the best chapter is the overpopulation one where he compares that perennial favorite of the Paul Ehrlich crowd, Bangladesh, with Fremont, CA. Why Fremont? How about, because they have roughly the same population density. By the time Mr. O'Rourke is done, the very notion that population growth, in the abstract, is something that we have to be terrified of has been rendered utterly laughable (and laugh you will)."



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Message 41/45                 Date: 08-Aug-03  @  12:44 AM   -   RE: lets loose cars

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PJ O'Rourke is one of those rare commentarians... I like him (though i loathe his conclusions)... his convincing and RIGHT, but what he DOES with his conclusions, oooooohhhh my, that's where we diverge.

William F Buckley fits this same mold!

Bah... smart people, with good reasoning and BAD conclusions

e



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Message 42/45                 Date: 08-Aug-03  @  04:23 PM   -   RE: lets loose cars

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overpopulation - d'ya think then maybe we shouldn't have the mormons playing advertisements to have children on the ghetto radio stations?

i guess admitting that would probably require some kind of admittance that humans in the u.s. are economically force-concentrated in the inner cities, where they can be homogenised, and left to worry about the details of how to deal with coercion amongst themselves.

oh - hear about that new law enforcement information 'matrix' in the u.s., gives instant access to private business records (vs. the constitution) and woah - set up by the same people that scrubbed the election ballots in florida? it's no joke.



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Message 43/45                 Date: 08-Aug-03  @  06:35 PM   -   RE: lets loose cars

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Yep, those Democrats will do that sort of thing



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Message 44/45                 Date: 08-Aug-03  @  11:46 PM   -   RE: lets loose cars

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"oh - hear about that new law enforcement information 'matrix' in the u.s., gives instant access to private business records (vs. the constitution) and woah - set up by the same people that scrubbed the election ballots in florida? it's no joke. "

whats this about? got any links?



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sorry, caught it on radio, 'democracy today' i believe.



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