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Original Message                 Date: 28-Feb-02  @  09:02 PM   -   Why is digital less warm than....

Mindspawn

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Hey folks, just some food for thought...

We all hear things like, digital isn't as warm as analog, and while I'm not here to argue that specifically, did you ever think about why that is? Outside of some of the basic physical properties, you'd think the two mediums wouldn't be that divergent.... and in some sense, maybe they're not. Now I'm gonna try a little heresy...

Maybe the reason mixes from analog sounds warmer, more musical, whatever, is: our techniques for recording, mixing, etc., are mostly built and modeled on analog experience. We've learned techniques for, say mic placement, that were establised in the analog realm... maybe we should be evaluating new ways of doing things....?

I mean think about one of the most basic differences between the two mediums, the level meter... Many of us that came from the analog world were sorely surprised to find out we couldn't push the LEDs "past the red" on a digital board... Now once I learned how to use digital LEDs, mt life, and my mixes, sounded better...

I'm not really trying to lay out new "rules" of digital recording/mixing, but just bouncing the idea off you all. If you have any experience with what I'm on about here, by all means share it. If you got a "warm sound" from all digital equipment, what was your methodology? Why do you think it worked that way? If you captured a digital take of a vocalist that just simply shimmers, did you do it the "traditional" (i.e., basically as it's always been done on analog equipment) way, or did you find a technique that is exclusive to digital?

Anyhoos, just some thoughts....

Peace All



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Message 91/157                 Date: 28-Mar-02  @  03:46 AM   -   RE: Why is digital less warm than....

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as for being able to hear & ID fx & processors on a track used, this sounds 100% feasible to me. Those old boys know this shit inside out - and certain eq's & comps etc have a distinct sound as much as any synth does. Y'know... "Oh it's like a Pultec, but a little more smooth" etc etc - certain verbs have a sound too. delays mebbe not unless they are delay fx unique to a unit, but eq's and comps absolutely yes!

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I had an idea for a script once. It's basically Jaws except when the guys in the boat are going after Jaws, they look around and there's an even bigger Jaws. The guys have to team up with Jaws to get Bigger Jaws.... I call it... Big Jaws!!!



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Message 92/157                 Date: 28-Mar-02  @  03:47 AM   -   RE: Why is digital less warm than....

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btw - this thread fucking rocks! - makes me laff when people think DT is just about 'dance' - hah!

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I had an idea for a script once. It's basically Jaws except when the guys in the boat are going after Jaws, they look around and there's an even bigger Jaws. The guys have to team up with Jaws to get Bigger Jaws.... I call it... Big Jaws!!!



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Message 93/157                 Date: 28-Mar-02  @  03:52 AM   -   RE: Why is digital less warm than....

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hey y'know, next time i go to me mums I'm going to setup an interview with that old boy who lives in the village - he's worked with Rupert neve etc as far as I know, ex-BBC boy etc - I'm sure he'd have loads of interesting viewpoints & knowledge - get it down before he passes away.

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I had an idea for a script once. It's basically Jaws except when the guys in the boat are going after Jaws, they look around and there's an even bigger Jaws. The guys have to team up with Jaws to get Bigger Jaws.... I call it... Big Jaws!!!



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Message 94/157                 Date: 28-Mar-02  @  04:17 AM   -   RE: Why is digital less warm than....

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holy moly!

K..you can ramble more than ANYONE IVE EVER read!!!!

ok...ghosts as mindspawn calls them...or ANY such "energy anomalies"...

planned? rarely. right?

so..again...to sit here and analyze the heck out of that stuff...pedantic 

but...it makes me think though, because I am surrounded by these cats (well, 2) who are just SO damn caught up in all that "good sound" shit...and....I cant help but fall victim...

sometimes I wonder if I should dump it all, get me a 1604 and just leave it at that. virus, sampler, 1604...

dunno. torn



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Message 95/157                 Date: 28-Mar-02  @  09:26 AM   -   RE: Why is digital less warm than....

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That's an affirmative Influx on the planned ghosts thing... Just wouldn't work that way....

As to why ask why? Why not? It's like magick my good friend, it seems all obscure and shit, but there's certain "reglarities" in how folk do their hoodoo... and that's kinda what this is like. And just like magick, you go and get too technical about it and the magick is lost and you have science (which is just another belief system itself...).... ummmm... so I think I just agreed with you about there being little point in talking. That's true of philosophy too, and maybe that's kind of what this has come to on some levels, a philosophy of engineering and its techniques... mental masturbation, yes, but just like "regular" masturbation, it ain't the end all be all, but it still feels damned good...

Peace



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Message 96/157                 Date: 28-Mar-02  @  10:58 AM   -   RE: Why is digital less warm than....

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ghosts are definately cool at times. I like a LOT of low end in my mixes when I can get it, and the way the affects other sounds is just neat, squeezing out frequencies and harmonics that weren't apparent otherwise and such. Yes, let's hear it for inaudible, and anomolous sounds.


Ape

Oh yeah, one other thing...who cares how good the sound quality and recording are if the music is absolute shit? We're talking about buffing turds to a high gloss.



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Message 97/157                 Date: 28-Mar-02  @  09:04 PM   -   RE: Why is digital less warm than....

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omg humans not wasting their sensory potential on preformatted information!!! ALERT ALERT



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Message 98/157                 Date: 29-Mar-02  @  11:18 PM   -   RE: Why is digital less warm than....

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imagine that, huh?



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Message 99/157                 Date: 30-Mar-02  @  01:24 AM   -   RE: Why is digital less warm than....

k

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"man lands on the moon" ?

no way???????????

I can see why people like the dig tho, it impresses at first... I remember the first time I heard an 01...It sounded very controlled and dynamic - i think a 50/50 system is best.. for me at least...

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I had an idea for a script once. It's basically Jaws except when the guys in the boat are going after Jaws, they look around and there's an even bigger Jaws. The guys have to team up with Jaws to get Bigger Jaws.... I call it... Big Jaws!!!



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Message 100/157                 Date: 30-Mar-02  @  04:35 AM   -   RE: Why is digital less warm than....

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yippie! my favorite thread is 100 



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