Original Message                 Date: 03-Dec-02  @  01:15 PM   -   The World Ends In 2006

Steve Webster

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Just read the bible code article in yesterdays Daily Mail Newspaper. It is the most interesting thing I have ever read. Scary too. It talks about how the bible is encrypted with a code that tells us our future. I can't find the article online so I'm gonna start typing it out. It will take ages though. Basically this code has predicted stuff like Kennedy's assisnation, the Twin Towers, Arifats assisination, etc. It also says that the world will face a nuclear holocast in 2006. Oh dear.

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Message 81/92                 Date: 07-Jan-03  @  07:40 PM   -   RE: The World Ends In 2006

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If our heads our safe, they aren't learning. My generalizations are stated as such. I have a very dear friend who grew up in soviet russia. His family talks about the attitudes there before they moved here. These unclear generalizations are where I'm coming from. I admit, I have a bad habit of stating my perceptions as fact.

As i said, I was trying to describe what has been called socialism in the 20th century... it IS a far cry from communism. Ruling socialist parties around the world in the 20th century dispensed with the notion that the populace has social interests at heart and imposed social agendas on their citizens.

I'm not making a judgement statement here... but just because everyone is working, doesn't mean every WANTS to live in a system where everyone is working.

e

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Message 82/92                 Date: 08-Jan-03  @  10:06 AM   -   RE: The World Ends In 2006

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OK but what is work, in former 'socialist' times here work was a larf, they couldn't / didn't sack you - you had a job for life.

I don't say was the best thing for a country but on the other hand I was at a wedding in Texas a few years back, mate marries rich fellas daughter, we are visiting the rich parents of bird, there is classic (TM) sweet old granmom banging out the nibbles other standard (TM) grandmom behaviour, anyway talk goes to the family company and about how to get more out of the 2 main sales guys (not that they were not doing well - the family just wanted more (imagine)) when gran chips up with "Tell them both that the one that sells most will keep there job". Nice people but thin veneer

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Message 83/92                 Date: 08-Jan-03  @  07:32 PM   -   RE: The World Ends In 2006

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nice point! and very valuable. Like I said, it wasn't a judgement statement. Just an observation.

e

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Message 84/92                 Date: 08-Jan-03  @  10:16 PM   -   RE: The World Ends In 2006

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leanin toward the idea of a social democracy myself....with a "libertarian" stance.

guidance, not control.

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Message 85/92                 Date: 09-Jan-03  @  12:24 AM   -   RE: The World Ends In 2006

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nothing personal influx but control - whether it be from an editorial / point and shoot / wearing a happy face distance (for example) does alter and to think there is some plan.., what!!

However another way is throwing in, contributing - at the momentular level - pull from infront, as it were - where is the guidance there?(Guidancetech - never)

In the context of my contributions on socialism - Should say that being here in this country illuminates my inability to lend any historical or subjective (arguably personal) fact/info to this aspectr. - and must be testament to my unwillingness to learn, thank you.

e - your earlier use of "party", it's a system with "options". New boss comin.

Oh yeah "recordnition"

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Message 86/92                 Date: 09-Jan-03  @  12:19 PM   -   RE: The World Ends In 2006

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what is the association between collective population respresentation (government) and extinction in social diversity. Or how about, politics or war, as a less elegant facet, and the the creation of an 'us' and the genocide of social difference within the protection/profligation of the 'us'.

Harping I know, and although relevant particularly now, as a mass of data to instruct us as to our common drivers how does this come to individuals. For solopists discussions sake how about through ethnic (ie Chinatown) and interest groupings (here) and through families and some managable unit (like 'me'). But IF this is 'general bahaviour' in any way relevant to me then what can we extrapolate about this trend in our everyday behaviour (not how it relates to these larger scale issues) but say how we look for and handle individual difference or how we bring together seemingly different aspects of ourselves into a net individual output or expressed opinion.

anyone tickled?

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Message 87/92                 Date: 09-Jan-03  @  07:35 PM   -   RE: The World Ends In 2006

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Everyone's a beautiful snowflake?! Formed as an independent and utterly unique unit from the same cloud, and as we descend we are perfectly DIFFERENT? But when we come together again on the earth we form a whole which blankets the earth with an apparent singularity of grace and beauty?

As you might say... Bollox to that, eh???

Cloistering in groups of like minded or motivated individuals is as old as the trees. But here we are... hunting and gathering on the plains. Mating exclusively, for life! Wondering at how we can reconcile the hard life antics of a cave dweller with the hedonism of the orgyistic communal tree hugger.

I cannot see where everyday behaviour does NOT relate to these larger issues. The question, for me though... is, Are these issues a result of our behviour, or is our behaviour a result of these issues. The answer may lead to the ability to redefine the nature of the experience. But excellerated evolution will take a lot more than whinging about the government and crypticaly munging words about the dependence of the individual on the collective.

e

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Message 88/92                 Date: 10-Jan-03  @  10:48 AM   -   RE: The World Ends In 2006

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"Are these issues a result of our behviour, or is our behaviour a result of these issues. "

what if either is understood and entirely dependent on the other then they are the same and can be manipulated, scale falls away and lies step through size, new (improved) lies gathering confidence from their fathers successes and economic laws about ecomonies of scale suggesting an efficiency. Why did we start them..?

And another thing. Doing the dishes this morning I thought of different sides and realized that sides are aspects of the same thing. Perhaps we need to look at agression like infection or an autoimmune disease

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Message 89/92                 Date: 10-Jan-03  @  05:49 PM   -   RE: The World Ends In 2006

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Careful, you're sounding a little zen there.

If the the issue is dependent on our behaviour than we can take responsibility for our actions and change the issue.

If the behaviour and the issue are interdependent than we must change our perception of them. Since our behaviour is dependent on our perception... with a different perspective we can change our behaviour and that would change the issue.

However, what if there's nothing to change but our perception. The behaviour and the issue might just be a result of our thinking they should be the way they are. Perhaps there's nothing really to change but our attitude. With that kind of perception, the issues which appear to fall out of line are right were they belong. And if the things we aren't fond of are dependent upon what we like and dislike, than everything becomes what it is, rather than a subjective experience based on what we expect from the events in our life.

e

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Message 90/92                 Date: 11-Jan-03  @  11:11 AM   -   RE: The World Ends In 2006

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If anyone else wants to contribute or tell us to piss off...

"we can take responsibility for our actions and change the issue" - if they let you - if they don't climb out of your cupboard with a syringe and a phychiatrist or out of the back of an unmarked military transport - or just drop some 'past sell by date' munitions on you and call it friendly fire

I hear you e but my point is in knowing these things - making output from philosophy, in the real world science fiction authors spin up stories that become truth (Larry Niven - star wars), marketeers write speeches and make policy, methods of capturing data and automating analysis improve daily (interactive TV / little black boxes in ISP routers/the old but true maxim that total data=quality data). Where is this going... The possibility that action will be reversed, not becuase is must/should happen (for any one common good) but perhaps just because it can happen and they have the tools to make it happen and if it doesn't work they have the force to ensure it happens anyway. It can all be a test run for the big one. Man i hate using 'they' more than once in a paragraph

When i close the world out and it still knocks on my door, when masses of people and politicians cannot act against ruling government, when sense is a 'retro make fit' around original intention and love and honour are used to fuel hate and deciet it's time for a break. tea anyone

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