Original Message                 Date: 02-May-03  @  05:22 PM   -   Redundancies

BJT

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Okay I am ranting here. Redundancies, Downsizing, "The company is in turmoil shifting markets, you know the drill. We can't reduce your salaries, because that would mean that we'd have to reduce our own salaries as well as all our old fart cronie mates (some of which earn 350K), but what we can do is line you all up and randomly sack people, not all at once, but slowly, so we can get blood out of stone whilst you all live in fear and depression".

I f*cking hate this, I've recieved a redundancy before, and frankly people it sucked it really does, only because it took forever to find another job (because of the market, you know).

But now some one (my ex-) is being hinted by her employees that she's going, she walks to work everyday in fear, F*CK F*CK F*CK EM!!!

I now do appreciate the role of unions.

Okay rant over.

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Message 11/27                 Date: 02-May-03  @  11:31 PM     Edit: 02-May-03  |  11:48 PM   -   RE: Redundancies

Steve Roughley

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"see the CEO's and board members walking off with 7 figure SALARIES, not to mention stock options, it really chaps my ass"

This whole topic actually strikes directly upon something that has been troubling me quite alot recently. The thing is - and don't get me wrong here, I am on your side - these bosses and 7 figure salary earning CEOs and Politicians are all idiots! You can't argue against it! Those of us who realise this fact also have the ability to shit on everyone, act like ass-holes, and assume bizarre amounts of self-worth, in an effort to get to such a status, but we don't. Why don't more people with their witts about them, do something about it?!? It is the same with bloody protestors! (although, I feel for those who suffer at the hands of CEO's, while I couldn't give a bloody shit about protestors... annoying bastards that they are!) They just sit down and whinge, while not actually doing anything about it. If those who beleive in such causes are so dedicated and intelligent - which I am sure many are - why do they not get the jobs of these idiotic CEO's and politicians, etc, etc, and change things internally, which is going to be infinitely more effective than chainging themselves to trees and gates while getting beaten up by police!?!

My point being: why is it that those who have the ability to change things never do?!?

Sorry, I know I have missed some very major points, but there are so many who want to change the world, and think that all they need to do is complain and wave banners.

Bloody frustrating!!!

Regards.

Steve.

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Message 12/27                 Date: 03-May-03  @  12:30 AM   -   RE: Redundancies

xoxos

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oh, don't you need some, money

but my life is the land

most don't understand

how it's out of my hands with money



money is a crime and i'll tell you why

because you have to cheat, steal, or lie

either that or agree

with the robots you see

dismantling environments endlessly



i think it's going to go real sweet with a uke part.

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Message 13/27                 Date: 03-May-03  @  12:33 AM   -   RE: Redundancies

xoxos

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if capitalism was fair, every human being would be automatically issued with so much capital to replace the natural livelihood removed from them.

don't look now, but, hey, you're on a farm.

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Message 14/27                 Date: 03-May-03  @  12:36 AM   -   RE: Redundancies

R.A.T.

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Mooo

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Message 15/27                 Date: 03-May-03  @  04:18 AM   -   RE: Redundancies

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welcome to the machine

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Message 16/27                 Date: 03-May-03  @  08:04 AM   -   RE: Redundancies

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Like i said in old posts one of the up sides of the old socialism was that once you had a job - you had it for life. Even the labour party (UK)doesn't respect Unions

Steve R you are being naive, protestors are doing something, I am sure you can think of better ways but at least THEY are doing something.

"My point being: why is it that those who have the ability to change things never do?!? " - Because causing change is a 2 way street. As you approach the power to make change so you are changed by the power. I expect you have to demonstrate that you can be 'one of them' before they give you the power

General comment. SUffering in the US due to capitalism hahahaha

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Message 17/27                 Date: 03-May-03  @  08:34 AM   -   RE: Redundancies

Mick

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July 1789?

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Message 18/27                 Date: 03-May-03  @  10:29 AM     Edit: 03-May-03  |  10:41 AM   -   RE: Redundancies

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Heh... I often find naivety easier to deal with C :P Thing is, I have been on many protests - I even went to two of the major anti-war protests in London - and have found that the protestors are just as ignorant as those they are trying to fight, if not even more so. Both sides are allways well educated with very selective information. The atmosphere of protests is allways quite unpleasant for me. The crowd mentality of protests, I find, is just as blind as that of football riots, just not as violent (well... sometimes). There are many people there who claim to be putting in their whole life to stop whatever the protest is about, but in actual fact they aren't! They just like protesting and don't like what they are protesting against. Then when the protest is over they all go and wait for the news then go and get on with their lives again. It allways seems such a half-hearted effort that is mostly driven by crowd energy.

If, as many historians beleive, Jesus did exist (not as the son of god, or the third prophet, blah, blah), I feel he was on the right path. Use rumour, gossip, etc as a means to create fear in those you are trying to bring down, then act out the rumours and the tales that have been spread so that the enemy are weakened enough for something to be done... EFFECTIVELY! Martin Luther King also used a similar tactic, which is too cause fear!

But then, these methods of forcing change are open to abuse by anyone who feels that they are fighting for something worthwhile. And this brings the question... who is right afterall?

It's all too abstract for me... and protestors are a blind, self-satisfied and annoying lot. I think that maybe I am comfortable enough with my life to actually miss the point of everything. I am just gonna keep building my bunker with solar power and bugger off to make music and drink beer, and leave everybody else to it.   You are all welcome to join me... just bring lots and lots of beer  

Regards.

Steve.

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Message 19/27                 Date: 03-May-03  @  12:24 PM   -   RE: Redundancies

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watch out for dem bunker busters do'

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Message 20/27                 Date: 04-May-03  @  10:45 PM   -   RE: Redundancies

BJT

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All I know is I'm no longer sucked into corporate bollax, also I'm thinking of joining a union.

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