Original Message                 Date: 12-Aug-01  @  08:01 PM   -   Tech-ed up drum beats?

Mage

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OK, I knew it already and then Jasper spelled it out for me after listening to the track I mentioned in the music tracks forum, but any suggestions ideas on some good techy drum patterns. I'm a horrible amateur (sp?) at this, so any advice would be appreciated. I'm wanting to make some hard tech-ed out beats to lay down under some grooves that lie on the border of techno and trance (check out my track "Electric Purple" in the mp3z on http://www.sectionz.net)

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Mage

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Message 11/25                 Date: 15-Aug-01  @  09:49 PM   -   RE: Tech-ed up drum beats?

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I mean - specifically - ducking the rest of the drums according to the kick....

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Message 12/25                 Date: 15-Aug-01  @  10:35 PM   -   RE: Tech-ed up drum beats?

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Hell of a lot in techno. Really helps to make a track groove.

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Message 13/25                 Date: 16-Aug-01  @  02:56 AM   -   RE: Tech-ed up drum beats?

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well really in the old days, gates sidechains & triggers were a large foundation of trance & techno music's sound.

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Message 14/25                 Date: 17-Aug-01  @  06:20 AM   -   RE: Tech-ed up drum beats?

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Ok, just a quick question about this ducking thing. I have dbx 266xl and it has receive side channel 1/4 inch input in the back. I have the compressor patched into the main insert across the whole mix. I ran one of the direct outs of the kick into the receive sidechain of the dbx. I can only assume that this is set up correctly, does this sound correct? Reason i'm confused is cause i have the Kick also being routed through the same compressor through the main mix. Is that what i want??? I'm confused...

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Message 15/25                 Date: 17-Aug-01  @  10:35 AM   -   RE: Tech-ed up drum beats?

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Not really, that sounds like the kick would also be ducked.

You only want to duck certain sounds really, you can do the whole mix though apart from the kick if you want, but it really works as a way of fixing problems with bass sounds clashing. Say you have a heavy bassline going and you can't get a good balance with the kick, reducing the bass just isn't what you want, so a way round it is to use the kick to drop the volume of the bass. This way both sounds can have plenty of bass and the ear doesn't really notice the fact that the bassline is dropping out because at that moment the kick is playing so it concentrates on that.

Anyway, to setup the effect to try it out you need the kick to go out on it's own and the rythm/bass (and whatever else you want to affect) to go through the compressor.

Have you tried the plugin btw? it works quite well for creating the effect. (4 1/4length notes playing on the kick and adjust the attack to get the pump effect)

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Message 16/25                 Date: 19-Aug-01  @  12:16 AM   -   RE: Tech-ed up drum beats?

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Ok, here's what I've done to try to get this ducking effect with Reason:
Method 1: I set up a second mixer for and ran each drum channel into its own mixer channel, then I set up a compressor on send two and turned that up for all the channels but the kick channel and then set up a compressor on send one, turned up the send on the kick channel and routed the out on that compressor to the chain input on send 2 rather than the return for send 1. It seems like this should work, but this muffles the entire sound even if I keep a threshold of 0 and and no ratio set on both compressors...
Method 2: With one mixer and the entire redrum on one mixer channel, put a compressor on send 1 and turn up that send on the drum channel, then set up a compressor as an insert effect on the kick and run its out to the send 1 chain input, this works a lot better and sounds cool, but it seems like the kick should also be being compressed...
Question: is there another way I can do this with Reason that I'm not seeing? The effects don't have their own chain inputs so I have to do it at the mixer... I suppose I could create another Redrum for just the kick and other sounds I don't want ducked, but I'd hate creating another Redrum for one sound...

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Message 17/25                 Date: 20-Aug-01  @  02:54 PM   -   RE: Tech-ed up drum beats?

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but remember each drum channel has a gate trigger output send on the back of redrum & more

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Message 18/25                 Date: 20-Aug-01  @  11:50 PM   -   RE: Tech-ed up drum beats?

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Yes, but the compressors don't have any kind of cv inputs.

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Message 19/25                 Date: 21-Aug-01  @  12:00 PM   -   RE: Tech-ed up drum beats?

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"this works a lot better and sounds cool, but it seems like the kick should also be being compressed"

ah, if it sounds cool your nearly there. Now do you mean you think the kick should be compressed. Or that the kick is being compressed and you don't want it to be?

I haven't used reason unfortunately, so I can't really help with the technicalities of that software.

Can't you use VST plugins? You may find it easier to use the free gate plugin k posted.

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Message 20/25                 Date: 22-Aug-01  @  01:45 AM   -   RE: Tech-ed up drum beats?

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Well, the kick is being compressed. However, I'm pretty sure I've got the method I mentions where I use a separate mixer for the Redrum down, thereby giving each drum track it's own channel so I can send the kick to the chain input on the send/return 2 effects channel which I turn up on the other drums' channels. And, unfortunately, you can't use VST plugins directly with Reason, you can Rewire Reason to be used with Cubase but I want to get Reason completely down before I start into Cubase as there's a lot to both and I'd get lost trying to use both at the same time...

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