Original Message                 Date: 03-May-00  @  10:55 AM   -   Drum N Bass Rattling Snares

s.m.bradley

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Okay I think I worked out the typical drum n bass pattern.

I have some questions :

1.) Where do I put the Hi Hats ???

2.) How do you get those manic 400bpm snare rolls over the top ?? How do you program them ? Are they programmed or are they just lifted from other sources ?

3.) What else do people do to the grooves to get that Drum n Bass feel ???


I've read through this forum and people have offered some great help. But I really am struggling with this and could do with some help. A nice long indepth tutorial from start to finish would be great. No one seems to have done that yet, It really would help some of us who are struggling.

Equipment I have :

Alesis SR16
Casio RZ 1
Yamaha DJX
Novation Super Bass Station
Juno 6

Pentium II 350, with cubase 3.65, fruity loops, rebirth, sound Forge, Wave Surgeon and loads of other bits n bobs.

The PC has a Sound Blaster Live! in it which can be used like a sampler until I can afford a one (if I need one that is).

Thanks

Scott

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Message 11/24                 Date: 05-May-00  @  03:17 PM   -   RE: Rattling Snares

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the sampler will help you later when your ready for one, but they are bloody usefull. I can't stress how mutch.

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Message 12/24                 Date: 09-May-00  @  10:53 AM   -   RE: Rattling Snares

s.m.bradley

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Aah You mean Delay as in the effect !! I thought it was some drumming term.

What I found was that if I produce a break beat on the Alesis SR16 at around 135bpmn with plenty of interesting ghost snares. Sample it into the PC and then pitch shift it up to 170bpm and then chop it up into 8ths and shift the 8ths round till you end up with about 15 different versions. Then plot these in Cubase into say 16 bars, finding the versions which work together.

The question is should I pitch shift or Timestretch ??

To me the Pitchshiffted version sound better/tighter.

Am I on the right track or do you lot just write the breaks at 170BPM straight off ? It's just that the Alesis snares are not tight enough. I guess this where a sampler comes in. I looked at the Akai 2000 but it has no onboard FX, this is a little worrying. What do you reckon ? Is the 2000 worth buying or is it old technology ? What about the Yamaha 3000 ?


Cheers for your help


Scott

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Message 13/24                 Date: 09-May-00  @  12:06 PM   -   RE: Rattling Snares

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k,
when you say "12-time", you mean triplet timing, right?

I'm not sure what you mean by 12-time.
also, are all of this site's midi grooves stored somewhere?

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Message 14/24                 Date: 10-May-00  @  09:01 AM   -   RE: Rattling Snares

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mate... 12 time is 12 time.... ok lets check it... Rock music mostly is in 4 time.... 1,2,3,4 - 1,2,3,4 - etc.... but if you count THREE's over a 4 time beat, then they can resolve at any point where the number is a divisible of 4 AND 3... such as 12.... so counting 3's... 1,2,3-1,2,3-1,2 = 8 .... comprendez?...

3 time patterns feature is a huge amount of world music, and 3 time is something to look at in detail

so... roots stuff now.... take a beat on your sequencer... 1,2,3,4 --- now... count over that click... 1,2,3 - 1,2,3 - 1,2,3 - 1,2,3 - 1,2 - 1,2

now... remove the 2's and 3's.. just concemtrate in your mind on the accented ONE of the triplet overlay...

ok... now count over the beat this:

1,2,3 - 1,2,3 - 1,2 - 1,2,3 - 1,2,3 - 1,2

againt.. feel the accent of the first beat of the triplet patterns...

that is the essence of reggea mate... and ragga, and drum & bass & jungle and dancehall...

can you feel it?.. or do you need some midifiles posting?

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Message 15/24                 Date: 10-May-00  @  09:32 AM   -   RE: Rattling Snares

s.m.bradley

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My music theory ain't so good. But do you count 3 beats in a 4 beat bar or is one bar divided into 3 instead of 4 say ?

Midi files would be cool.

Scott

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Message 16/24                 Date: 10-May-00  @  09:36 AM   -   RE: Rattling Snares

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ahhhh.... now I see the light! Thanks for the nice walk-thru, you're a great help....

I just downloaded onedrop.mid, ragga.mid and peanut and peanut2.mid from a search of this forum.... I'll check them out tonight.....

I like to work with midi files... I love that beat mechanics shit..... so if you have any more of this midi stuff, please post' em, or let me know where I can get them.....


thanks again....

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Message 17/24                 Date: 10-May-00  @  10:03 AM   -   RE: Rattling Snares

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you can list em from this forum on the main page.

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Message 18/24                 Date: 10-May-00  @  11:21 AM   -   RE: Rattling Snares

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Any chance of answering my question a couple of posts up so I can understand this more.

Cheers for all your help

Scott

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Message 19/24                 Date: 10-May-00  @  01:51 PM   -   RE: Rattling Snares

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found 'em.... fukn great. there's a great thread attached to the 12time.mid file that's a big help.

this site rocks.

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Message 20/24                 Date: 11-May-00  @  03:30 AM   -   RE: Rattling Snares

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Fun,Fun,fun simple break that can go in any erection...Blah Blah blah,,,,Any higher grides than this.....Like a 32 or a 64 or my favorite 256 or 512 ? 16th is very borrrrrrrring..... mooo cluck/cluck/cluck/cluck/AND A*****mooo cluck/cluck/cluck/cluck

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