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Original Message                 Date: 08-Jan-00  @  01:39 AM   -   Basslines/drum grooves relationship

Jojo the dog faced boy

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Ok just wondering
how attached does a bassline get to a rythmn and what makes it groove and etc.

Actually the question is impossible to phrase so let me put it like this.

what (in your expierence)is the relationship between the bass line and the rythmn and how is it done?

Thanking thou in advance,
the dog faced boy



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Message 11/24                 Date: 14-Mar-00  @  08:38 PM   -   RE: Basslines/drum grooves relationship

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well, it's a religious philosophy really, and the music that goes with it carries the same name.... just get down to a record shop specialist, and get an album by 'Ras Micheal & the Sons & Daughters of Negus' - check it out.. for an instant hit try that link above... as i was taught it, it is essentially african hand drum riddims, but also when you played it was like an event ... (& a lifestyle if you can deal with the discipline required) ... you smoke tons of weed, and play drums... for hours and hours, and trust me... nuff wierd things can happen at those times, some of the guys i met during that period had a very marked effect on me... and there is the 'Reasoning' also, which in these totally utter bullshit times, i REALLY miss... where you sit and discuss things like real men.. 'Reason' things outso the music is like music which goes with that philosophy and lifestyle... but really, it isnt the same on disk, although you can hear it... it is the event and the participation which is so important i think.... it seemed to have an actual tangiable intellectual & spiritual purpose.... some of those guys have alot of power man , but by that, i mean a power born thru innocence and resistance to corruption to create a 'shining' individual... the best way i can describe it is you 'open' emotionally and whatever is inside comes out... bad or good, and you cannot hide it ... it'll show like a stain...a word of warning tho.. be VERY careful... dont play with that EVER, cos those that play get hurt.. nuff brothers have gone insane thru messing with it... Also, you MUST treat the Herb with respect... it is not something you just skin up and puff like a cigarette, be very concious of the herb, treat it with respect dont 'indulge' in it... and you cant smoke any of that chemically grown skunk crazy-brain shit neither.. gotta be pure organic bush...the music itself essentially seems to be constructed of 8's played with a mix of 3/3/2 & 4/4.. like most african based music, it has 3 time feel in there ... it drops in on a big ONE-two then comes 'the drop' where there is a gap, and the treble drum/skin-edge/rim plays a likkle riff in that gap... to actually play that style, essentially, you just get stoned, and arrange yourself over the drum in a relaxed way... raise your hands above the head, and just drop both hands onto it... count silent 4's with the right hand (if right handed)... so like the starter basic pattern/s is ...BANG-two (-3 -4 *silent-count) / BANG-two (-3 -4 *silent-count) / BANG-Two - diddle-iddle) / BANG-two (-3 -4 *silent-count) heh heh - the BANG is where you drop both hands on the head.. but it is all relaxed, keep the shoulders & neck etc totally relaxed, and rather than banging the heads, just raise your shoulders & drop them, allowing your hands to fall onto the head center (bass) - it's subtly different to 'hitting' a hand drum - if you get the dropping of the hands right and are relaxed enuff, then the right hand bounces off and drop back down again to create the second beat the TWO grace beat... This creates the initial ONE-two of the beat, which can be further embellished by adding trap & bass drums which play the ONE (and two as offbeat emphasis) similarly to the way a samba Surdo section plays an offbeat bass drum on the two whilst the rest of the group plays 3 time over the top resolving at naturally occuring mathmatical points where divisions of 3 & 4 naturally occur ... then come variations... and i cant really describe those.. just listen to some.. there is skip variations done by holding in 3 time feels etc...for a more commercially available track, try 'This Train' - Bunny Wailer... off the 'Blackheart Man' album (Island) - try that link above for some Nyahbingi from 1961, and see this page for more info on Ras Tafari & Nyabinghi...http://members.aol.com/PraizeJAH/Nya1.htmlalso there is some Ras Micheal & others at this website which also has some great resources for world drumming lessons/tapes, kids drumming books/tapes/cd's etc etc etc...
http://www.rhythmtraders.com/html/worldm.html#anchornyabi... enjoy !...



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Message 12/24                 Date: 15-Mar-00  @  12:16 PM   -   RE: Basslines/drum grooves relationship

damballah

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Might I also toss in 'In Pursuit of Shashamane Land' and 'Songs of Praise' by Bonjo I A Binghi Noah's band, African Headcharge, for Nyabinghi drumming in a more electronic setting. If that stuff doesn't get you moving, you're f*ing dead! Disclaimer here though: I'm a sucker for anything that comes out of On-U Sound. Style Scott is the shit. Not to take anything from Sly & Robbie, but Style Scott and Flabba Holt (Roots Radics/Dub Syndicate) could lay it down. On-U's producer/mixer Adrian Sherwood (who aside from On-U projects, produced Ministry's 'Twitch' and Cabaret Voltaire's 'Code,' among others) had nothing to do with the latest African Headcharge CD that I picked up (title escapes me), and consists of Bonjo I doing a lot of singing. 'Drastic Season' is an earlier work that I have on vinyl and therefore doesn't get played a lot anymore.



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Message 13/24                 Date: 15-Mar-00  @  08:54 PM   -   RE: Basslines/drum grooves relationship

d-range

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i love you cats... =)



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Message 14/24                 Date: 16-Mar-00  @  12:17 AM   -   RE: Basslines/drum grooves relationship

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heh heh - i used to have a cat called Flabba - & he was actually named after John 'Flabba' Holt... the name was choosen cos the other cat was called 'Tadger' heh heh and it rhymed - anyways.. gotta tell you this story... we had this studio, and upstairs was living Mrs Bertha Marx.. 80 year old jewish widow... she was hilarious... we used to have dub jams on saturday nights people would drop in and out to sing/play, she used to come down and have a jam too!!!...actually i/we got her stoned loads of times, she'd always take the spliff (pon the lef hand side - heh heh)... she was such a character.. she wore these totally mashed, curled up at the toes shoes, and had loads of blue mascara & bright red lippy applied well off-center... anyways.. once, Bad manners aked her to appear in their video and come on ToTP too, cos she came down and was playing tambourine when they were rehearsing 'Taquila'.. but she refused to go on the TV...

anyways... Tadger (the cat) -... in england, 'Tadger', (or 'Todger'), is slang for dick... she used to go out on the street and call in the cat with a loud cat-calling voice:... 'Tadger!!!!'.. ha ha ha - we used to crack up... she would bawl out tadger all over the street... hah... funny woman i tell you... she was some character... always playing mother, vetting your women, sneaking into the flat while we were out and 'tidying' up after us despiteour protests... etc... man, i guess she's dead now... sad...



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Message 15/24                 Date: 16-Mar-00  @  11:53 AM   -   RE: Basslines/drum grooves relationship

damballah

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Oh, that's good.



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Message 16/24                 Date: 16-Mar-00  @  01:35 PM   -   RE: Basslines/drum grooves relationship

damballah

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I thought Flabba's real name was Errol.



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Message 17/24                 Date: 16-Mar-00  @  10:28 PM   -   RE: Basslines/drum grooves relationship

d-range

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*snif* now that was a beautiful story...*big sigh*
go on, give us another!



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Message 18/24                 Date: 17-Mar-00  @  01:40 AM   -   RE: Basslines/drum grooves relationship

k

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test



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Message 19/24                 Date: 28-Mar-00  @  10:36 AM   -   RE: Basslines/drum grooves relationship

nelsonre

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I've always felt the drums were there to accent the bassline and the rest of the music. Although, most of the music I write is hardcore, I even follow this idea in the techno pieces I write on my PC.
Most of all, I try and get an emotion from the relationship. I can't describe a sure cut way to compose something. But, you know when you've got it.
IMHO
-Pyscho_Clown



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Message 20/24                 Date: 28-Mar-00  @  12:34 PM   -   RE: Basslines/drum grooves relationship

damballah

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depends on what you wanna make your foundation.



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