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Original Message                 Date: 23-Apr-00  @  04:03 PM   -   music as language

casparproject

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Ok, this is a thread I've been thinkin of starting for a while. The idea is, I've been feeling in the past few months like my music is actually communicating emotion in a way that is much more efficient than speech. Something as simple as a filter sweep at the right time seems to be able to communicate something to people that, well, just can't be expressed in words. Tingles are common, other people just stare at me, especially live, as if I've just said something incredibly intriguing about myself. Is music actually a functional part of human evolution in this respect. Is music our other language?

Peaceout



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Message 11/44                 Date: 28-Apr-00  @  04:54 PM   -   RE: music as language

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"Your music makes me want to drive on the sidewalk with a a big smile on my face"

After I played one of my live sets a kid came up to me and said that to me. He extrapolated it a bit, but that statement really is a good description of how I move through life, and how I compose my music. It put a smile on my face.

Peaceout



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Message 12/44                 Date: 30-Apr-00  @  10:53 PM   -   RE: music as language

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Oh yea. Music is a powerful language. And for whatever reason it crosses barriers. I can't understand the language spoken in Albania. But I can understand the music they play...as long as it doesn't rely on lyrics. Music can give chills. How many times have we heard "Music the universal language" Awesome. And an awesome responsibility for us IMO.



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Message 13/44                 Date: 01-May-00  @  08:17 AM   -   RE: music as language

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music can "augment" words too...often a song
will have simple lyrics that if you just said
them, might sound trite, but put them in a song,
and suddenly you get something profound out of
them, because of the mood set by the music....



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Message 14/44                 Date: 05-May-00  @  10:24 AM   -   RE: music as language

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I hope this is on topic - I used to be pretty
interested in experimental/ industrial music, which
lead me to old school noise makers like Temple of
Psychick Youth and Psychick TV. These guys were pretty
interested in brain waves, and how our brain works when
different frequencies are most amplified and what hertz
certain ranges are running out. These waves can be
tuned by playing a sound, or flickering a light, which
the brain will try to match - like the heartbeats of
two lovers falling into synch over the course of a
night of sleep.

So, to shorten things up a bit, when we are asleep, we
are in a full alpha state - our subconscious is most
active. Alpha states can be induced using LSD
(halucinations are just alpha waves) and other mind
altering drugs, visiting revival tent meeetings,
chatting with Hare Krishnas at the airport, and going
to raves and listening to some forms of techno.

Rythms of light, sound, dynamics of tone and some hand
movements, as well as the use of certain rythmic
phrases (or mantras, which the military calls
neurolinguistics I think) can induce alpha states. In
these states, people are more open to the influence of
others, more empathetic, which is why the military and
cults are interested.

However, music can do the same, for positive, benign
benefits. It's quite a complicated area to cover here,
but if there's interest maybe we can thread on this for
a bit.

Anyone find this interesting? Raves are as close to a
religious experience as some people will ever get, and
I think the alpha state ha



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Message 15/44                 Date: 06-May-00  @  01:42 AM   -   RE: music as language

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very interested. keep going man. i'm a big lsd person myself, (meaning I do it once in a blue moon, but am all for its positive effects). i'm becoming more and more concerned with writing stuff that transcends my conscious need to write standard chord progressions and stuff. i dunno, but please... carry on about the neurolinguistics... i guess neuromusicology might be a field of the future!



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Message 16/44                 Date: 06-May-00  @  05:36 AM   -   RE: music as language

Harmony

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Neuromusicology??

Nice 1, Casparproject!!

That's exactly wat I'm researchin right now....but hadnt thaught of the title....cheers mate  



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Message 17/44                 Date: 08-May-00  @  05:22 AM   -   RE: music as language

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lets hear more, and as detailed as you can be.



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Message 18/44                 Date: 08-May-00  @  09:42 AM   -   RE: music as language

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I'm just getting some links and data together so I make
some coherent posts. If anyone else feels like doing
some web searches as well in the mean time, it may
increase our resources.

You know, I'm sure I'm not the only one reasearching
and trying to figure out how to utilize this stuff, but
it's always been my own secret project until now  

It iwll be interesting to see if anyone can learn to
incorporate brain wave frequencies into their music (I
haven't... yet).

If anyone has the new copy of 'CoolEdit', I've been
told it will encode low frequency pulses into audio
files for the specific purpose of altering brain wave
frequencies in the listener.

Post mo



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Message 19/44                 Date: 08-May-00  @  10:05 AM   -   RE: music as language

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Anyone who would like to do some independant reading
should check out these links regarding alpha (and
other) states and brain waves. Then we can discuss the
practical applications (bpm to frequency conversion,
note to frequency conversion, etc.) later.

http://www.magnet.ch/serendipity/sutphen/brainwsh.html
This is a link to a site with brain washing info. If
you think this has nothing to do with raves, and music,
you're mistaken. Raves incorporate all the right
elements, but most djs/ promoters/ musicians don't know
why people respond the way they do, they just know it
works.

http://www.crhsc.umontreal.ca/dreams/zinfo.htm
Medical info on brain states, unbiased.

http://www.brainsync.com/bwstates.asp
Not quite unbiased info on brain states. Acurate, but
it's from a new age site, so take it with a grain of
salt.

If this is too heavy for someone, maybe me or someone
else can condense it and post something. Is everyone
still inte



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Message 20/44                 Date: 09-May-00  @  04:13 AM   -   RE: music as language

jj

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yes yes, get on with it, give us the goods!

Thanks for the linx!



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