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Original Message                 Date: 15-Apr-00  @  08:53 AM   -   what scale is this? - Pt_2

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t'other ones getting too big to laod.. just saw your last post Fannie (which didnt seem to there bfore)... the 'Keyboard' display output could have another octave yes, needs it, but it's the input form.. those tick boxes are forcing the form a certain width... i could try a redesign... i dunno if i've time right now... maybe i can force them smaller.. thing is there is a 'hidden' area around the 'tick-box' form-feild which forms an invisible border forcing each key wider than i'd like it - i'll give it a crack tho



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Message 11/29                 Date: 15-Apr-00  @  11:01 PM   -   RE: what scale is this? - Pt_2

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The tag you use for a break is one of these:



<



one of these:



br



and one of these:



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all typed together. Or you could use the paragraph tag which uses a "p" instead of a "br"... You need to type the break tag twice for a line of white space, the paragraph gives it to you automatically. You can always "View Source" on any web page if you're curious about how the html that's there works.



The scale or key is usually an agreed on convention by the musicians performing a piece before the performance of the piece begins, at least in my experience. And usually those scales will be fairly conventional -- majors, minors and modes thereof. Granted some crusty old jazz guys might start playing a Bb Javanese, an A Pelog or an E Hindu (the three scales I posted in the last thread) if you're trying to sit in with them and they want to let you know you're not worthy.



Kid Dik, the best way to start out on this stuff is learn to play some songs. You learn by osmosis if you feel like you're actually playing music. Nobody should start out the journey worrying about the more complicated or esoteric theory behind modal improvisation or composing in modified scales. You pick stuff up as you go along. Maybe take some lessons. There's a reason piano teachers start kids off with "Chopsticks" and not Scriabin.



I don't think keyboard makers are going to get away from the current key layout any time soon. Millions of people have come to terms with those black keys and you can too.



I started in a basement punk bands in the early '80s playing bass & guitar knowing a moveable major scale and 2 forms of barre chords. And everything I've picked up in the meantime has come through nice people showing me things (and correcting me), reading and experimenting. I've been involved with music semi-professionally since '84 and almost everyone I've had the pleasure to work with shares up their knowledge unconditionally. Only a few would choose to belittle people they felt weren't as far along the journey as themselves. We've got a name for that sort of person, now don't we. Oh, and anyone who tells you they're figured everything out is lying. You stop learning about this stuff when you die.



BTW, in a Keyboard mag interview in the early '90s, one of the guys in Coldcut said something along the lines of "We've found that if you put three fingers on white keys, each one separated by a white key, they make this thing called a chord. But that's about as far as we want to go with that." Draw your own conclusion.



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Message 12/29                 Date: 15-Apr-00  @  11:34 PM   -   RE: what scale is this? - Pt_2

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I don't know where the notion that I'm just beginning my journey comes from. I mean, I have just decided to fuck it and learn the theory, but I've been making music for about 10 years now, and have gotten very far without the theory. I just suppose I've opted for the easy route, after all these years of inventing everything as I go. I figure I'll put a little bit of the weight on the western music system, which will leave me more time to figure out midi...


Now that is a jorney I AM just beginning. Its also really why I'm learning the theory. I seems to my unmidified eyes that midi is really built around our western note system, and I do need to learn midi so...



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Message 13/29                 Date: 16-Apr-00  @  12:38 AM   -   RE: what scale is this? - Pt_2

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DOH!!!... well why didnt you say that KD ?.... feel like ive been talking down to you now... if youve been at it for 10 bloody years... you should retire !! heh heh

ok.. I fixed the 'not creating paragraphs' bit.. it now works like the other forums,.. just leave line breaks with a space between 'em to create paragraphs...

also due to Fannies request.. another octave is added... just see if it works ok first...

'dont want another domestic'... (that was funny i concede)

right, i'm just testing the added octave now.. so ignore



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Message 14/29                 Date: 16-Apr-00  @  12:53 AM   -   RE: what scale is this? - Pt_2

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Really, I have no trouble with being talked down to when I'm learning. For many years I was an ass, and didn't think I could learn anything from anyone. But in the past few years, my ambitions have exploded, and I've realized I don't have time to figure everything out on my own. Also k, I doubt you would have given so much of your valuable time to such a hackneyed old geezer (I'm twenty six and can't even get up to piss cause my backs so farked). Believing as you do, in youth and vitality, and the revolution of the young.

Never the less, you have given your time, and many others have as well, and I thank you all. And just remember, anyone can stay young, so long as they think they can fly close to the sun.



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Message 15/29                 Date: 16-Apr-00  @  03:10 AM   -   RE: what scale is this? - Pt_2

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Sorry, Kid Dikarus. You're calling yourself a bonehead and such and K's calling you a newbie threw me.

I still think more light and less heat would be helpful around here, which was kind of the point of my rambling post. Harmony, Annie, whatever you wanna be called, do you think you can post without somehow magically making yourself the topic?



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Message 16/29                 Date: 16-Apr-00  @  03:12 AM   -   RE: what scale is this? - Pt_2

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And thanks for the breaks, K. Mush ezzier on the red eyeballzzzz.



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Message 17/29                 Date: 16-Apr-00  @  05:54 AM   -   RE: what scale is this? - Pt_2

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yeah I did mean Fx not F#. tanks.



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Message 18/29                 Date: 16-Apr-00  @  02:31 PM   -   RE: what scale is this? - Pt_2

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its taken me years to become the bonehead I am today!



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Message 19/29                 Date: 17-Apr-00  @  09:01 AM   -   RE: what scale is this? - Pt_2

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Wow, K, u busy body!! Wiikiid keyboard (I've seen the black notes work in another thread) Much clesrer, thanx. But what's the "kahslkjhasl salkdhsa" ting all about???? Cute word...secret meaning???

Right, 1 question...it's all good 4 the harmony side but theory aslo includes rythm....nationalism aside, would it b more helpful 2 go the english or american way? We refer 2 notes as "brethe, minum, crotchet, quaiver...." americans call'em "full, half, quater, 8th, 16th...". What's the proportion of Europeans/Americans vistin DT? Issues like that realy piss me off I'm not gonna opt 4 the english sytem just bacause i was braught up here-music itself is an international language so there shouldnt b any confution inflicted by national boundries....

Well, concert A is 440Hz, at least we all agree on that....but what d'u think bout the rythms?



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Message 20/29                 Date: 17-Apr-00  @  08:08 PM   -   RE: what scale is this? - Pt_2

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I'v never heard about that critchetty crotchetty quaivering system, but its words seem to make a little bit more sense to me, in terms of rythm, than quarter, eighth ect.



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