Original Message                 Date: 07-Nov-00  @  01:45 PM   -   Any point in having 16 stereo channels??

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I'm a little confused by one of my friends buying a mixer with 32 inputs, so basically 16 stereo channels. He writes music with lots of swirly, panning sounds, from leads to basic blips and abstract sounds, and probably uses quite a few stereo channels. I realise that you don't need stereo for certain sounds, like maybe bass lines, or a kick drum, but I'd imagine using stereo channels for the majority of other sounds, such as general fx and other percussion sounds.

My question is, would it be worthwhile to buy a mixer with more channels than you think you'd need so that you have the option of using all stereo channels? Are there any disadvantages to having all stereo channels?

Ta much,

Si.

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Message 11/29                 Date: 09-Nov-00  @  04:41 PM   -   RE: Any point in having 16 stereo channels??

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buy a used Mackie. They hold their value. You could sell a Mackie that is 2 years old for the same price as one that is 6 years old. It doesn't matter with those. Or, you could get a Behringer that has more broken parts than working ones after that same time period.

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Message 12/29                 Date: 09-Nov-00  @  05:26 PM   -   RE: Any point in having 16 stereo channels??

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Message 13/29                 Date: 09-Nov-00  @  08:14 PM   -   RE: Any point in having 16 stereo channels??

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definitely -- i've got a cr1604 (mackie) and and mx1604a (behringer -- hey, i needed a few more ins and was broke) and definitely, if it's your only mixer get a mackie... SOOOOOO much better. my cr's one of the old-school non-vlz type, and it definitely beats the mx hands down -- input trims an every channel (mx only has em on the mono chs), 6 mono aux. sends and 4 stereo returns (mx has 2/2), inserts (the mx has NONE... wtf?!), etc. etc... none of that stereo channel crap (what a cost-cutting rip-off that is), just quality.

the cr is WELL used, the mx is almost new... but the cr still feels better, more solid or something.

you can find used cr1604s for $300-400US, that's only ~$150 more than the mx but is more than worth it, for sure.

and yeah, if you need more than 24ch at once something's not right.

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Message 14/29                 Date: 10-Nov-00  @  01:53 PM   -   RE: Any point in having 16 stereo channels??

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Wow, I didn't know people felt so strongly against Behringers!! I've no intention of buying a mixer for ages yet, but I was just curious to see if the extra channels are worth it.

Is it the sound quality of the Behringers that gives them a bad name, or the build of the units? Are they prone to breaking and generally being unreliable?

Cheers again,

Si.

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Message 15/29                 Date: 10-Nov-00  @  05:19 PM   -   RE: Any point in having 16 stereo channels??

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Message 16/29                 Date: 10-Nov-00  @  06:38 PM   -   RE: Any point in having 16 stereo channels??

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worked a show last night where they'd always had a Behringer. walked in and to my surprise there sat an Allen & Heath. can someone say 'hallelujah'.

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Message 17/29                 Date: 14-Nov-00  @  06:27 AM   -   RE: Any point in having 16 stereo channels??

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that MX3242X is only a SIXTEEN channel mixer.

it has 16 tape returns that you can switch to, for monitoring off say ADAT or whatever. YES they can be used for inputs but no EQ, no Aux sends, naught.

16 channels really should be enough, but whats always struck me as funny was that companies like behringer say "16 inputs" when 2, or 4 of the channels are dedicated stereo. thats pretty cheesy.

I recommend the alesis studio32. its actually similiar to that behringer youre lookin at (which isnt even available yet btw, im pretty sure) and goes for about $500.

has a very nice sounding EQ, 4 aux sends, 2 monitor sends (can be used as aux sends) 4 returns, and bussing as well.

Ive had TWO and had very little problems with them

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Message 18/29                 Date: 14-Nov-00  @  12:53 PM   -   RE: Any point in having 16 stereo channels??

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So that means that you would really have to use all the channels in stereo mode to use it properly? Like, you couldn't use say 12 stereo channels but you could only use mono channels without EQ's and stuff?? Hmmm, that's pretty shite and not what I expected at all - thanks for pointing it out  

I'll check your recommendation as well.

Cheers,

Si.

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Message 19/29                 Date: 14-Nov-00  @  01:38 PM   -   RE: Any point in having 16 stereo channels??

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Mackie did that on the CFX20 that I have and I agree, it's shite. However, you can use your stereo channels as mono channels by setting up the panning in your stereo source. For instance, I can pan the patches in my XT hard left or hard right, and get a total of 4 mono outs. True, you lose the individual eq, but grouping sounds and mixing on the fly ain't all that hard to do. I mean, if you change bass patches in the middle of the song, you may want to alter your eq slightly, but not radically so grouping can work. I don't actually use it for that (I don't run enough patches at once out of the XT to make 4 sep outs necessary) but I do have one stereo and one mono out set up.

The point is, stereo channels can be manipulated effectively to mono.

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Message 20/29                 Date: 14-Nov-00  @  01:39 PM   -   RE: Any point in having 16 stereo channels??

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Also influx, did you recently get hold of an 01v? If so, how would the above compare in terms of quality? Does the 01v (in your opinion) improve that much over its analog equivilants??

Cheers,

Si.

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