Original Message 1/26                 Date: 23-Feb-01  @  07:17 PM   -   EQ'ing bass drum and basslines

dance, rummy!

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once again, for the benefit of all, I'd like to hear some thoughts about Eq'ing the bass drum with sub-bass.....
this is geared towards songs with 2 basslines that are working together...



I've heard before that the part of the BD that hits you in the chest is between 100 and 200Hz. Even-handed guy that I am, I usually put a medium-size notch on the sub-bassline at 150Hz, with a cut of 3-5dB, to make room for the bass drum



Also, since I want the sub to come through, I usually roll-off any sub freq's from the bass drum starting about 100Hz using a HPF.



I remain unsatisfied with this approach. It seems too simple, and most times it doesn't get the definition I would like. There has to be something more (better) I can do to increase the definition on the bottom end...




I am hesitant to boost the mids on anything because I'm trying to use another bassline sound above the kick, with little or no sub in it.... d&b heads know what I mean -- that growling HPF'd bassline that keeps whacking your ear while the lower line moves the air....



any comments are welcome.....

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Message 2/26                 Date: 24-Feb-01  @  02:42 PM   -   RE: EQ'ing bass drum and basslines

johnny

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what EQ are you using?

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Message 3/26                 Date: 24-Feb-01  @  06:55 PM   -   RE: EQ'ing bass drum and basslines

rance, dummy!

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I have the Waves EQ plug-in with the Native Power Pack C1 comp, L1 limiter and verb.... they are really nice...


I just keep thinking that there is probably a more sophisticated way to do that EQ'ing, or at least a finishing touch or something... perhaps using the Waves C1 compresser/enhancer settings in combination with some eq.... I'm not really sure what I'm getting at...



maybe there's nothing to get. it might just be I need to use my ears in each individual case, and tweak tweak tweak....




I just thought that 50,000 engineers in 10,000 studios over the past 20 years might have found out some newfangled knob twisting that lets the equip do some the work for you.....



I'm sure those mad d&b scientists have a few tricks they're not revealing...

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Message 4/26                 Date: 24-Feb-01  @  08:27 PM   -   RE: EQ'ing bass drum and basslines

johnny

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Ah, software.

The only tip I can give (its a big one though) is to tweak the frequencies while the mix is playing - if you stop the track and tweak, start everything going, stop, tweak again, you get nowhere fast. You've got to listen to the bass in context and make decisions based on that sound, not the sound in isolation.

And from then on, just mess till it sounds right. It's hard to give specifics because each track is different, with different sounds and rhythms - and these lend themselves to different mixing decisions. And EQs are all different in character, different monitoring rigs and so on... quite a problem in pinning anything down.

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Message 5/26                 Date: 27-Feb-01  @  02:52 PM   -   RE: EQ'ing bass drum and basslines

fredrik

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this is what makes dnb programming a headache, we want our hard, disted fat ugly bassdrum at the same time we want those ultra low subbasses, and after that we also want some crispy mean HPF bassline on top of it ;).. multibandcompression might be the bet, though it's still a tough call, depends alot on what kind of basses we're talking about here, and how loud they go..

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Message 6/26                 Date: 28-Feb-01  @  07:16 AM   -   RE: EQ'ing bass drum and basslines

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over intellectualizing maybe?

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Message 7/26                 Date: 01-Mar-01  @  08:31 AM   -   RE: EQ'ing bass drum and basslines

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Just think of it like making a jigsaw puzzle and cut room in each piece to mesh with the others if you can.


Ape

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Message 8/26                 Date: 01-Mar-01  @  10:14 AM   -   RE: EQ'ing bass drum and basslines

ville

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I just playd one of my track with a subwoofer systems and it was horrible. Made me weep...
How can you adjust frequencies under 60 if you just can't possibly hear them!!!

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Message 9/26                 Date: 01-Mar-01  @  06:39 PM   -   RE: EQ'ing bass drum and basslines

johnny

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you just cut 'em out (with a HPF tuned around 60Hz), or you get them mastered in a neutral room with speakers flat to 20Hz.

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Message 10/26                 Date: 01-Mar-01  @  07:21 PM   -   RE: EQ'ing bass drum and basslines

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That's what I do, too... HPF at 60hz or so.

-Craig

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