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Original Message 1/24                 Date: 08-Jan-00  @  01:39 AM   -   Basslines/drum grooves relationship

Jojo the dog faced boy

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Ok just wondering
how attached does a bassline get to a rythmn and what makes it groove and etc.

Actually the question is impossible to phrase so let me put it like this.

what (in your expierence)is the relationship between the bass line and the rythmn and how is it done?

Thanking thou in advance,
the dog faced boy



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Message 2/24                 Date: 08-Jan-00  @  09:36 AM   -   RE: Basslines/drum grooves relationship

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It all depends on what one is writing IMO. I like when a bassline adds a syncopation to the drum line so that it sounds like one intermeshed line as if the base was playing off the snr or kick.



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Message 3/24                 Date: 08-Jan-00  @  11:50 AM   -   RE: Basslines/drum grooves relationship

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Just to clarify a little. When the bassline is playing something that would stand on its' own but when put together with the rhythm, it syncopates at spots in the loop.



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Message 4/24                 Date: 08-Jan-00  @  01:37 PM   -   RE: Basslines/drum grooves relationship

DeltaSleep

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traditionally a bassline is tied with the bass drum. but this isn't exactly a tradional place of music now is it?



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Message 5/24                 Date: 09-Jan-00  @  10:29 AM   -   RE: Basslines/drum grooves relationship

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true, depends on style for the detail, but in essence, all bassline are a cross drum pattern/riddim working with the bass to create the right 'push' and feel for the desired groove - so try programming the bass by tapping away on the keys BUT IGNORE THE NOTES...(PITCH) - JUST concentrate on tapping out a complimentary riddim that works with the drums.. then record it (yup with all the wierd bum notes, or all on the same note)... then get into edit window and correct the notes for pitch to create any melody, but whilst tapping away to record the pattern, concentrate ONLY on the pattern, and the gate-time (length) of the notes to get the feel with the drums - the other options after that/with that , is to build other fx into the pattern, from pitch-bends, to other synthesis controller tweaks that further compliment ot characterise the pattern



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Message 6/24                 Date: 09-Jan-00  @  11:45 AM   -   RE: Basslines/drum grooves relationship

jojo the dog faced boy

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thanking you in a large way for your help



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Message 7/24                 Date: 22-Jan-00  @  03:37 PM   -   RE: Basslines/drum grooves relationship

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Bass & drums relation can vary depending on what you wanna achieve as groove or effect. If you look at reggae, the bass drum is on 2 & 4, sometimes on all for beats (it's called a one-drop).

Here's a samba I got from a drummer/percussionit called Airto. Have fun



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Message 8/24                 Date: 22-Jan-00  @  08:38 PM   -   RE: Basslines/drum grooves relationship

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Sorry to have to correct you Paradiddle but as a matter of fact the Bass Drum in reggae plays on beat 3 and not 2 and 4 as you stated (it's the guitar that plays on 2 and 4). Dropping the BD and Snare together on beat 3 is a "one drop". Check Bob Marley's One Drop for further reference to that style of groove.
I believe the 4 on the floor BD is called Uptown (it's been awhile since I've had to think about name for the grooves) and is probably best exemplified by the live version of Jammin' on Babylon by Bus.

Nice Samba though.



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Message 9/24                 Date: 23-Jan-00  @  12:31 PM   -   RE: Basslines/drum grooves relationship

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hmm... ive added basic classic reggea grooves in the drum-groove midi-files page (see lower right main drumgroove-forum page to access the list)... but there are lots of reggea styles

the pounding 4 on the floor kik with the syncopated tambourine used to be called a step or 'stepper' beat which first appeared on tracks like 'MPLA'

it isnt really correct to say that about the kiks, that 'one-drop' style does have it all coming down on the 3 , but reggea has soooo many variations incorporating as it does African, latin & european ideas.... old style lovers or dancehall etc has kiks on 1 & 3 - try a track like 'Stuck on you' Trevor walters for a classic old-style dancehall with the kik on 1 & 3 - or the classic 'sleng-teng' bassline/drum pattern... all are walking 1/3 beats like say 'herb man hustling' used as a basis

if you go for real king david stuff like Ras Micheal you get the classic 1/3 accent nhyabingi style... like on say 'jah would never give the power to a baldhead' by the wailers, (a more well know track with that style) ...... the beat piles in for a heavey downbeat on the One, then releases on the 3 for the 'drop' on 4 before the beat on 1 again...

you also have swing-style walking beat variations like on say 'Oh Jah' by aswad where the kik plays like: b-boom / b-boom / b- b- b- boom... or the classic 'Peanut-Vendor' from the old days.... and on some of the old roots radics stuff you even get triplet swing stuff with a walking kik and drum pattern in a jazzy style... almost like a reggea version of say a Pointer-sisters or nina simone or Miss-T jazz style (heh heh, i actually met Miss-T last year in London we are supposed to go drinking sometime!) -

there is alot of variety in the old backing team styles from JA like sly & robbie, cos they all grew up as kids working the caberet bands in the tourist spots night after night -

i'd say all in all, techno & classic old-trance styles have straight-feel basslines which provide more of a 'Pulse' and drive, while house basslines add extra notes offbeat to work with the basic straight 4 on the floor house kik to make funkier riddims... (generally... not a rule)

lets look at that a bit...



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Message 10/24                 Date: 13-Mar-00  @  10:01 PM   -   the classic 1/3 accent nhyabingi style

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kilo, could you go into the "the classic 1/3 accent nhyabingi style" in a little bit more detail... whats the time sig? could you wrtie out pattern? (midi dosn't do me any good, =( )



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