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Original Message 1/10                 Date: 31-Jul-03  @  09:45 AM   -   a moody scale?

dilly

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is the Bb scale the darkest because it uses the most black keys?



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Message 2/10                 Date: 31-Jul-03  @  09:52 AM   -   RE: a moody scale?

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Hmm, maybe you need to laern about modes. Here you go:-


LYDIAN - very bright, upbeat. Good for anything very bright and upbeat such as pop, kids music, etc


IONIAN - very sweet, happy, bright. Perfect for happy songs, love songs, etc. Used for almost all childrens music


MIXOLYDIAN - middle of the road bright scale. Good for light rock, pop, country, etc


DORIAN - perfect middle ground. Not too bright, not to dark. Good for country, rock, blues.


AEOLIAN - gritty, bluesy, warm sounding rock scale. This is the standard rock and blues scale.


PHRYGIAN - dark, classical metal sound. A Randy Rhoads favorite.


LOCRIAN - very dark, dissident, brooding. Good for heavy metal, dark classical, etc



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Message 3/10                 Date: 31-Jul-03  @  10:30 AM   -   RE: a moody scale?

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thanks smudge. So you think I should use the Locrian scale because it has the darkest sound?



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Message 4/10                 Date: 31-Jul-03  @  10:35 AM   -   RE: a moody scale?

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Well no cos Locrian is not a scale, its a mode. Locrian does have the darkest sound of all the modes but not really used as a tonal centre but more of a short passing scale. I wouldn't recommend it for a newbie to worry about. I would say not to use Phrygian either, yea it has a dark sound but sounds a bit Spanish but its all personal taste innit.


I would point towards the Aeolin mode because it has a serious sad sound. The scale is 1,2,b3,4,5,b6,b7. So pick a key and apply this scale and you should be happy. I hope.



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Message 5/10                 Date: 31-Jul-03  @  10:53 AM   -   RE: a moody scale?

dilly

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what key do you think is good and how does it relate to a mode? Nice one smudge.



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Message 6/10                 Date: 31-Jul-03  @  10:56 AM   -   RE: a moody scale?

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look at the above keyboard. I have picked the key of A. In Aeolin mode, the key of A uses all the white notes going from A to A. There are seven notes in the scale and these correspond to the ticks (on the keyboard) above. Does that make more sense now?



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Message 7/10                 Date: 31-Jul-03  @  11:15 AM   -   RE: a moody scale?

dilly

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where is the keyboard?



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Message 8/10                 Date: 31-Jul-03  @  02:41 PM   -   RE: a moody scale?

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don't worry about the keyboard that isn't there. play all the white keys, go from A to A. It's also called A minor. smudge, you sure he shouldn't play in D minor? it's the saddest key, y'know.



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Message 9/10                 Date: 31-Jul-03  @  05:03 PM   -   RE: a moody scale?

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hehe.

i can't be bothered to look up what name it is, but the mode where you start on e and go up all the white keys is so spanish i dunno how you could describe it any other way.

and "darkest" ? that depends on the notes you use, you can have 3 notes and have the classic dark dance riff straight away

- c c c c# Bb

and repeat. darkness for me comes from dissonance, like chromatic (playing all the notes (simple explanation)) or anything diminished or maybe even a "whole tone" abstract dark style .. (look them up) but minor is a good place to start. dark = sad maybe is a broad generalisation but i think it works usually.

as to Bb being more "dark" coz it uses more black keys well that's a whole other discussion, certainly some composers have and still do classify keys by their "tonal character" e-major being a "bright" key and suchlike but i've not enough knowledge to say any more about that. i think the idea was quite a popular idea in the 19th century amongst european composers, but don't quote me on that.

there's certainly a lot of information on this on the internet so you can do some searching for yourself. only thing i can say is don't get too hooked up on what key, get making good tunes. ;)



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Message 10/10                 Date: 01-Aug-03  @  06:16 AM   -   RE: a moody scale?

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Peep this thread so I don't have to type that stuff out again  



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