Original Message 1/20                 Date: 03-Mar-03  @  07:34 PM   -   dumb about digital mixers

knowa

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I'm not clear about the extent to which a digital mixer can be integrated into a software studio.

could e.g. the 01v be used as a combination powered plug-in/control surface? i.e. could individual mixer channels in reason be routed through the efx inside the 01v, like routing multiple channels to an aux send on the mackie 1202 (only mixer I've really used). or would I need a more sophisticated rewire host to do this?

about the motorized faders, do you just assign a fader to a particular mixer channel in reason (or logic) and it responds accordingly?

basically, I'm wondering of the 01v would let me mix tracks in reason (and logic if YOU pulaski ever get it togther) with real faders and a nice reverb. I have a slow 400 Mhz Mac that doesn't run reverb plugins too well so I'm curious about outboard. I use a 2408 MkII so I know I have digital i/o capability though I dunno much about them. TIA

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Message 2/20                 Date: 03-Mar-03  @  08:33 PM     Edit: 03-Mar-03  |  08:33 PM   -   RE: dumb about digital mixers

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get a pc!  

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Message 3/20                 Date: 03-Mar-03  @  09:28 PM   -   RE: dumb about digital mixers

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Yes, you can use it as a "powered plug-in card". Downsides - only one set of ADAT I/O (up to 2 in the 01V 24/96), so only 8 purely digital channels. For controlling software... I don't know about your environment, but in Sonar, there's a "learn" function. You right-click on the control you want to automate, select learn, and then move the fader on the 01V. It's that easy.

I've kind of found it to be more hassle than it's worth, in terms of using the mixer for processing, because you only have the 8 digital channels. I've thought about getting an analog I/O card to go along with my ADAT card, but have not done so. If you could get at least 16 channels into the mixer digitally I'd say it'd be perfect for what you're asking, but 8 channels digital is a little limiting.

I use it mostly as a "live" mixer when I'm working on things in the studio, then when I've got things sounding right I just strip off the channels I want and dump them into the PC. I sometimes use it for effects if I'm running out of juice (the distortion is great on vocals).

Let me know if there's any other ?'s I can answer for you.

-Craig

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Message 4/20                 Date: 03-Mar-03  @  10:51 PM   -   RE: dumb about digital mixers

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i really don't think that yamaha reverb sounds that great anyways, unfortunately. (judging from a good bit of time on an rs7000, and a little bit of time on a friend's O1v). i'd rather use my intelliverb by far.

how about a UAD-1? does it work on macs?

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Message 5/20                 Date: 04-Mar-03  @  02:46 PM   -   RE: dumb about digital mixers

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The thing about digital desks is that they're digital.

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Message 6/20                 Date: 04-Mar-03  @  04:28 PM   -   RE: dumb about digital mixers

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thanks guys. craig, I wasn't joking about being dumb about digital mixers. I really don't understand what 8 channels means. I dunno Sonar, but I imagine it has something like the Mixer in VST... so where/how do you send channels from the software mixer to the desk? can you send multiple software-mixer channels to the same channel in the 01v? and when you export the track all the 01v processing is included?

I was thinking about the uad-1, but figured if I could get a motorized control surface with it, that would be better. if the reverb on the 01v is like the RS7k, forget it. I guess I'll end up with a cheap midi fader box and a UAD-1/and or a fast PC. I'm so comfortable using pre-prepared sounds in reason but that reverb is just killing me.

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Message 7/20                 Date: 04-Mar-03  @  05:14 PM   -   RE: dumb about digital mixers

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8 channels = 8 streams. Any number of tracks can be bussed to external channels but then they are sharing so any eq, etc affects all sounds on that channel. In the VST mixer there is an output buss setting. Thats what you would use to send sounds out of reason or cubase or whatever.

you asked if mixdown would include channels sent to the O1v.

If you mean by using the mixdown function in cubase, then no.

what you would have to do is either send all the channels from cubase to the 01v and mix OUT of it (say through SPDIF or whatever) or just submix your 8adat sends back into cubase..

to be honest, for what you want to do...Id get a controller. Far more assignable. The o1v is gonna be limited in what it will do.

I havent touched one but theres the new Evolution controller for a fair price

oh, and UAD-1 rocks

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Message 8/20                 Date: 04-Mar-03  @  05:31 PM   -   RE: dumb about digital mixers

nomad

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you can't use the O1V as a plugin or anything like that. what it ends up looking like is an external box with 8 inputs and 8 outputs, which you have to send tracks (or busses) to, and return from, just like any other external effects box. only difference being that in this case, the I/O is digital instead of analog (and even that's not really a 'difference', like i think a ksp-8 effects processor can handle 8 inputs and 8 outputs, and through digital connections...)... if that makes sense.

it just ends up being a big external box.

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Message 9/20                 Date: 04-Mar-03  @  05:58 PM   -   RE: dumb about digital mixers

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thanks that pretty much settles it.

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Message 10/20                 Date: 05-Mar-03  @  12:07 PM   -   RE: dumb about digital mixers

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Wouldn't it be better to just do your mixdown on the 01V, and aux-bus out to your computer, for reverb...etc. But for mixing down, I wanna get something outboard, I'm suprised I'm on my own on this one.

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Message 11/20                 Date: 05-Mar-03  @  12:15 PM   -   RE: dumb about digital mixers

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The thing about outboard is that you don't have lag on your faders, no crashing, no clock glitches. So you can play and play again till your happy with your mix. I find mixing has to be done on the fly, I can't do it in hyperdraw.
What do peps think?

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Message 12/20                 Date: 07-Mar-03  @  02:34 PM   -   RE: dumb about digital mixers

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It'd be better to mix down on the 01V maybe.. You'd have to do a lot of work to set up and record all the automation and whatnot when all that stuff comes free inside your computer. And the limitation I mentioned before, that you can only get 8 digital channels into the thing.

I mix in the PC, but sometimes use it for effects, or as a submixer (drums on 1 and 2, guitars on 3 and 4, synths on 5 and 6, vox on 7 and 8, thaT kind of thing)

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Message 13/20                 Date: 12-Mar-03  @  04:57 AM   -   RE: dumb about digital mixers

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Getting rid of the o1v was the best audio decision I have made. Almost all new software can be controlled by any midi controller. The 20bit ad/da on the o1v robs you of the audio quality most new 24 bit cards are capable of. Most new ad/da devices even sound better at 16 bit than an o1v. the day I bypassed my o1v and started using the DA on my ds90 monitors, I noticed a ton of headroom I was losing, and from what people say about the ds90's, the converter aren’t that great! Take a look at the newer 24bit da7, or the tascam dm24. Even the newer o1v24 would be a better bet. I would only recommend an o1v for live situations. It just doesn't sound good enough to record, or monitor a mixdown through.

And by the way, how has everyone been?

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Message 14/20                 Date: 12-Mar-03  @  03:34 PM   -   RE: dumb about digital mixers

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You've got to be kidding me...

I can think of at least 4 people on this site that would say you're talking out your ass.

-Craig

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Message 15/20                 Date: 12-Mar-03  @  03:55 PM   -   RE: dumb about digital mixers

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01v96. 5 people at least. out his arse, yes.

where ya been brett, been missing your rants  

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Message 16/20                 Date: 12-Mar-03  @  09:08 PM   -   RE: dumb about digital mixers

knowa

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brett, you're funny. remember when all you needed was reason? thanks for the advice, regardless of the orifice from whence it came. I know your intentions were good.

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Message 17/20                 Date: 12-Mar-03  @  09:21 PM   -   RE: dumb about digital mixers

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man...bit this, bit that. Everyone's always regurgitating shit

IT ALL GOES TO 16bit anyway

as for the O1v sound..well...

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Message 18/20                 Date: 12-Mar-03  @  10:12 PM   -   RE: dumb about digital mixers

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As for the 01V96, I'm gonna know all about the sound as soon as mine arrives... yes I've gone mad.

Too much time dinkin around on a 1202 and 8 inputs on my 1010... Having a load of analog ins plus the 8 ADAT i/o and option of another has me frothing at the mouth. Gonna be the first time ever I can get everything in my studio on one board.

Can't freaking wait!

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Message 19/20                 Date: 13-Mar-03  @  01:35 AM   -   RE: dumb about digital mixers

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been working relentlessly!

as for me talking out my ass, well you shuld listen up, cause my ass is right! just take any decent recording and run the digital outs from your sound card to the o1v, and then monitor out from the analog outs on the o1v. listen a bit, then hook the amp directly up to the sound card analog outs, or in my case the digital outs to my ds90's. any good 24 bit capable card should have a more open sound, and cleaner more audible lows. and I don't mean 24 bit capable with 20 bit ad like the yamaha dsp factory.

Ever wonder why people here are always asking how do i get that pro sound? quit using lowend tracking equiptment! That is one example of why Reason can give great results. there is no tracking in the process to ruin it with an o1v.

as for Reason, my freind just sent me a cd he did with it. The quality of the sound is as good as any premastered music I have heard, and with some minor changes he is gonna get this stuff released. he licensed one of the track to a dvd production. 100% reason....

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Message 20/20                 Date: 13-Mar-03  @  02:26 PM   -   RE: dumb about digital mixers

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Whatever.

The 01V has a "sound" yes. You may not like it. But it is NOT technically inferior/superior, just a matter of preference.

-Craig

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